Everyone is whisked back to memories of coke-bottle glasses, prom queens and pregnant high school girls, as our surgeons operate on patients from a bus crash. Through hallways of Grey Sloan Memorial Hospital High we dissect how adolescence and childhood experiences shape our characters.
Derek, Callie and Izzie navigate their relationships with a teenage patient, revealing their blind spots, insecurities and biases.
Bailey is confronted an transformed into 'Mandy' by her old school crush and we learn that with Derek and Izzie you can't judge a book by its cover.
Thatcher Grey makes a drunken entrance into the ER causing Meredith to get to know the Real Dad that Lexie grew up with.
Lots of love,
Tamzen and Ayla
xxx
Greys Anatomy Credits
Created by Shonda Rhimes
Starring :
Ellen Pompeo - Meredith Grey
Sandra Oh - Christina Yang
T. R. Knight - George O'Malley
Justin Chambers - Alex Karev
Katherine Heigl - Izzie Stevens
Chandra Wilson - Miranda Bailey
James Pickens Jr - Richard Webber
Patrick Dempsy - Derek ( McDreamy ) Shepard
Kate Walsh - Addison Shepard
Sara Ramirez - Callie Torres
Mark Sloan - Eric Dane
This podcast is recorded on stolen land of the Wurundjeri people. We also acknowledge that medical practices of the traditional owners of these lands were developed and used way before the medical practices discussed in this show, they are also continued to be used today.
Contact us at
scalpelsandtequila@gmail.com
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@missthayes and @ms_ayla_azure
Everyone is whisked back to memories of coke-bottle glasses, prom queens and pregnant high school girls, as our surgeons operate on patients from a bus crash. Through hallways of Grey Sloan Memorial Hospital High we dissect how adolescence and childhood experiences shape our characters.
Derek, Callie and Izzie navigate their relationships with a teenage patient, revealing their blind spots, insecurities and biases.
Bailey is confronted an transformed into 'Mandy' by her old school crush and we learn that with Derek and Izzie you can't judge a book by its cover.
Thatcher Grey makes a drunken entrance into the ER causing Meredith to get to know the Real Dad that Lexie grew up with.
Lots of love,
Tamzen and Ayla
xxx
Greys Anatomy Credits
Created by Shonda Rhimes
Starring :
Ellen Pompeo - Meredith Grey
Sandra Oh - Christina Yang
T. R. Knight - George O'Malley
Justin Chambers - Alex Karev
Katherine Heigl - Izzie Stevens
Chandra Wilson - Miranda Bailey
James Pickens Jr - Richard Webber
Patrick Dempsy - Derek ( McDreamy ) Shepard
Kate Walsh - Addison Shepard
Sara Ramirez - Callie Torres
Mark Sloan - Eric Dane
This podcast is recorded on stolen land of the Wurundjeri people. We also acknowledge that medical practices of the traditional owners of these lands were developed and used way before the medical practices discussed in this show, they are also continued to be used today.
Contact us at
scalpelsandtequila@gmail.com
Instagram @scalpelsandtequilapodcast
Patreon/scalpelsandtequila
@missthayes and @ms_ayla_azure
So you blew me off for a bottle of tequila. Tequila's no, good for you.
Speaker 2:It's called as right it's not nearly as much fun to wake up to.
Speaker 1:Hi everyone, welcome to Scalples and Tequila, a Grey's Anatomy recap podcast. I'm Ayla. And I'm Tansan, and today we're doing season four, episode eight, forever Young, and I mean it feels like it's been so long since we did this, and I think it has been.
Speaker 2:It's been a couple of weeks, yeah, because we banked a whole lot of them and now we're not anymore. We're like not look, it was good that we banked a whole bunch and probably should do it again. But look, we're here, this is where we're at and that's okay.
Speaker 1:Before we start today, I did want to warn everyone that we may have a little gap because on Monday, as in the Monday after you all listen to this, on Thursday I am going in for my hysterectomy and, as Tansan just alluded to, we don't have that many episodes in the bank because previous to this, tansan took her, because previous to this record right now, last week Tansan took her show Interstate. We are now on Australia-wide production of Never Said Motel at the Bonday Fest, which was super, super exciting. But, yeah, there's been a lot of life going on.
Speaker 2:There's been a lot of life going on.
Speaker 1:This episode wasn't fucking boring.
Speaker 2:Totally. The first half of this episode is like a little bit slow, but then all of a sudden the second half, or like the last third, is like bam monologue, bam monologue, bam monologue. Let's get to know everyone so deeply. It's a lot all of a sudden.
Speaker 1:There were so many things happening throughout this entire episode. I feel like my notes were all over the place because we had so many different and new characters and A, B, C, D, E and potentially F storylines as well.
Speaker 2:Totally so much.
Speaker 2:It's really it's a lot, yeah, and we all go back to high school. This episode, in a way, I feel like it really is all about who you were as an adolescent and how that has informed the way you are today, and I think it's interesting. I think it's really like interesting way that everyone is kind of reminded of how far they've come. Anyway, we'll just get into it. I'm going to read them on a log. There comes a point in your life when you're officially an adult. Suddenly you're old enough to vote, drink and engage in other adult activities. Suddenly people expect you to be responsible. Serious A grown up. We get taller, we get older, but do we ever really grow up? In some ways, we grow up. We have families, we get married, divorced, but for the most part we still have the same problems that we did when we were 15. No matter how much we grow taller, grow older, we are still forever stumbling, forever wandering, forever young. What do you think of the Millennials?
Speaker 1:Millennials, millennials. I really like millennial adults. I like that we're the first generation to really shirk off society's norms.
Speaker 2:Sorry, emily, we that will not stop meowing. Can you hear him? No, I can't. I can't get snoring to my right. I'm one meowing at the door.
Speaker 1:We are the first generation to not buy houses, which is no fault of our own, but we're also the first generation to not really care about quote unquote the things that adults aren't supposed to do. We are this generation of 30-year-olds who's going oh, I really liked this from my teen years and now I have adult money and no one to tell me not to, so I'm going to fill my house with dopamine and stuff that makes me happy versus the things that adults are supposed to enjoy, and I'm really into it at the moment. I really like it.
Speaker 2:I mean, do you think that's what's happening or do you think we just had a different childhood, like I feel like a lot of adults well, I don't know In my mind a lot of people when they become adults I'm going to use air quotes for that but they do buy the things that they wish that they could when they're younger. You don't think that's happening?
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. I think that we are a generation of adults who were choosing to live as our dream adults when we were teenagers. It's like everyone I know who sort of grown up and go on corporate, is suddenly like oh, I fucking love Pokemon. I'm going to have like subtle Pokemon shit all over my house and we're just doing stuff that brought childhood us joy. Because, why not? Why do your interests have to change? Why can't you buy the ugly thing that makes you happy? Because we're not going to buy houses, we may as well fill our houses with dumb shit.
Speaker 2:So we kind of learn a lot about all of our characters today, Even though this idea of going back to high school and everyone kind of speaking about their high school experience comes from their patience. The patience storylines to me aren't that relevant today.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I do have a bit of a soft spot for a If you say my eye, I'm going to get so angry.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh pencil, I yeah, I'll cup eyes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're all a bit irrelevant, like Marcus can get directly in the bin.
Speaker 2:In the bin there's such a. Did you say she was all before? Because that was all? It's not.
Speaker 1:It's a man, so is high school, oh OK. The way I think of it is that time between classes where you're bumping around the corridors trying to get through everyone and you'll see someone in your door waving. You say I'm going to see you at lunch, or you start a half chat because you've got three minutes. And that's what this episode was. It was just new person, new person, new scene, new this, new that, because we start on Derek and Sydney's date and I love that. All people.
Speaker 2:All people. What is happening here? What is going on?
Speaker 1:I just want to get directly to the end is because Sydney is apparently the only person who sees immediately through Derek and is like oh, you do not have enough to offer me. I am a whole lot of woman, I have a lot to give and you do not. Where was this Sydney? Where?
Speaker 2:was this Sydney before we are really seeing such a like a new side, I think that Sydney was always there I think Sydney was always there.
Speaker 1:I think that we, like the characters, dismissed her because she was jubilant and excitable and happy and we just assumed that she was a bit of a dumb, dumb airhead.
Speaker 2:Well, it's like the show. The show trains you to believe that if you're, you know, if you're a shark, be a shark. The show trains you that you have to be cold, you have to be confident. Not that Sydney is not confident, but it's a very particular, like harsher, way of being, and that's what the show looks up to. It's like you have to be a very certain type for us to respect you in this hospital environment. And Sydney isn't that. She's everything opposite of what everyone is striving to achieve, which is just like the Christina method, you know, whereas Sydney comes in and she's all soft and bubbly and not dark and twisty.
Speaker 1:Anyone in Ashrow who's overly feminine and has typically feminine attributes, is looked down on, sydney being one of them, and Izzy as well, for a good part of it as well is mocked by the others for having girly or feminine interests.
Speaker 2:Definitely, and she has to prove herself so hard to get any respect. And it's like you know, the great learning that we do from Izzy is that you can be a good surgeon, be a good person, through showing vulnerability and through connection and empathy, instead of just like cool, cloning and smarts. You know, like she takes things, she goes above and beyond with her patients in a way that the others don't you know. When she put the bird on the ceiling for the guy like, she goes Exactly yeah, so she, she is showing how important and impressive she is through softness and through gentleness, whereas everyone else is through like a hard and hardness and being cold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's exactly why I could have seen her a merit of sitting on the other end of the bar with their judgy eyes and it's like why also pick a different bar, derek? Like what kind of a half ass date is this that you're like? Oh yeah, I'm just going to take you to the knockoff spot for a drink.
Speaker 2:Well, it's also like Derek knows that if he takes Sydney there, he's going to be seen Like that's the bit that really annoys me, even though he's the only person that actually sticks up for Sydney in this episode. Everyone is kind of paying out on her, but Derek isn't, and I do applaud him for that. But he chose to have this date in a place where all of his colleagues would be and he he has to have known that he's purely doing it to get a merit of detention, like that's exactly what it feels like to me, it feels nasty.
Speaker 1:It feels a bit malicious, yeah, but when we do get to the hospital, the first thing we see is a notice being put up that we have a new chief resident, effective immediately, and it's Bailey. Callie comes over, congratulates her. Sydney comes and gives her a big hug and again gets kind of side-eyed by Bailey and Callie for being. I'm a Sydney, you're a fucking Sydney. You're more of a Sydney than I am. I'm not a Sydney.
Speaker 2:I'm a Lexi.
Speaker 1:But I love that Bailey comes into the residence lounge with nothing at all but respect for Callie and what Callie did in this role, and she initially establishes that and then first Bailey monologue of the day. I want a professional environment. The on-call room should be for nothing other than napping and nothing that requires locked doors. I don't want to gossip, I don't want your bullshit. We are here to work and again we have the Izzy and the George in Meredith's ear. She is this magical sex fairy that's going to make their relationship better.
Speaker 2:I purely so. Izzy, we need to talk about Izzy. I think this is an important conversation to have because Izzy is having such a hard time. Izzy I mean, I've said this so much. I feel like I defend Izzy so much on this show, not because all the time she deserves it. She's definitely been so horrible to Callie, but she doesn't have anyone. She doesn't have any friends, and we learn that so much more this episode as well, with this whole idea of going back to high school. We actually do hear Izzy say I was always an outcast. I was living in the trailer. I wasn't the prom queen, I wasn't all of these things that people are assuming of me. I had no one.
Speaker 2:Izzy has wanted this friendship with Christina and Meredith so badly and she's never got it. Izzy wants a best friend, and the only best friend she's been able to cling on to is George. She has such a. It's like she confuses friendship with sexual attraction, because the people that she's closest to are men and she cannot somehow untangle the friendship and the sexual attraction very well Because it's really a product of its time, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah a thousand percent. We are of the generation who is still brought up with the idea that if he pulls your pigtails he likes you, and I really understand her confusing sexual attraction and genuine friendship, and it's really something that we still see a lot in men, those memes that we see going around a lot saying things like oh, was your waitress flirting with you or was she just doing her job?
Speaker 2:And I just think Izzy just wanted a friend and her and George did get along really well. Her and Alex were getting along so well, but that turned to a sexual attraction as well, and so she clings to George.
Speaker 1:Alex made that sexual from the get-go, I mean they always had chemistry. Yeah, but that's where this confusion comes from too. Her other relationship that she had with a man who was in her age group and in her social circle was made deeply sexual by him.
Speaker 2:I think she doesn't know. It's like she's never been able to be friends with guys. She doesn't know how to not make it sexual because they see her as a sexual being. I feel like they don't know how to.
Speaker 1:That happened to so many of us. I experienced that for most of my life and still have that issue quite a lot. Yeah, totally, I feel like it's just so hard to assume that that's where it goes.
Speaker 1:I've had sex with most of my male friends and for a lot of them it's just like oh yeah, we did that once, right, whatever. But the things that, I don't necessarily regret them. But I wonder, knowing what I know now and the different generations being more vulnerable about their emotions and understanding emotions more, how that's going to differ. But in the same token, I do believe that people can platonically have sex.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Totally, totally. If her and Alex are just, you know, you're here, I'm here, touch me inappropriately Great and, like I said before, most of the sex that I've had with friends has been that and it's fine. But I used to have this saying that some people's hearts are in their vagina.
Speaker 1:And that's, that's OK. There are definitely some people out there who sleeping with random citizens and friends becomes muddy and difficult for them because they feel it in a different way. They feel it in a more emotional way, and I think that that's easy. I don't know if she's confusing friendship for sex, but I do think that when sex gets involved, she can't separate that from friendship. No, her heart is in her vagina. I think she's confusing friendship with romantic love In this situation with George, 100 percent.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100 percent.
Speaker 2:Because she's so close to this person George is the person she comes to with all of her problems and because it's someone of the opposite sex, it makes sense for her to receive his friendship romantically. I don't think she knows how to receive that just as a friend or I don't know how to put it Like. I just think she doesn't know how to be close to people and that's what she wants so badly. So if that's what he's kind of putting out there that he needs from her, she's throwing everything into it.
Speaker 1:She's going to reciprocate? Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2:And she's going to get confused. She's going to be like oh, this is clearly love. Like I love him romantically and it's not. It's just like her best friend.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And she gets real salty, this episode, when the interns start gossiping about the fact that they've, quote unquote, broken up and just storms over to George demanding her key back. And I'm like I just always assumed that George would have had a key to the house. Dolly, yeah, yeah, actually. Dolly, stop being a demon, stop eating, whatever the fuck it is you're eating.
Speaker 2:So Izzy, kind of this episode is just trying to figure out where she fits in because she doesn't know who her friends are, which is such a running theme for Izzy. So that's kind of her big storyline. And when the when we start seeing these kids come in from this high school, because the big, there's been a bus crash, which is like weirdly timely for us here in Australia because there's been like multiple bus crashes here recently of like primary school children it's happened. There's been like three bus crashes in the last month or two In Melody, anyway, have you not seen it yet? There was one around the corner from my house and there was another one like outside of the city. There's been, yeah, anyway, and then I think one in Queensland, anyway, Cool, good know, but does the bus crash?
Speaker 1:this is what I was confused about. Does the bus, does the bus crash bring in Marcus, because I know that it brings in Trisha, and I know that it brings in Danny, mr Cup Eyes, but does it bring in? Why? Do you think it's Cup Eyes, you mean?
Speaker 1:the pencil, the pencil in the eye, I don't know, for some reason. I was watching this and he comes in with a couple of his eyes and my brain went oh, mr Cup Eyes over here. And that's just what I've been calling him Pencil in the eye. But was Marcus involved with it?
Speaker 2:I think so. Now I don't remember.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Marcus is a piece of work, just we find out went to high school with Mandy.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, after Bailey's really strong start to the day where she's finally taken this cheap residency in her stride, she's finally laying down the law, she's got rules, she's got plans, she's going to run this hospital. All of a sudden, marcus comes in and we just hear him saying Mandy, mandy, oh my gosh Mandy and reverts back into her high school self, which was.
Speaker 1:He immediately starts treating her like they did in high school and we find out that Bailey was his tutor. Bailey was his tutor for everything, and I use the term tutor lightly.
Speaker 2:It sounds like she was his yeah. Yeah, she did all of his homework for him, filled in all of his poems, and he's manipulating her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in high school, and he's manipulating her now, showing kindness, showing interest to someone that he, I assume, deemed was beneath him and strung her along, saying that they were friends and that they were going to go to home, coming together. But really he just liked having someone there to do his homework for him. And today, at the hospital, he does exactly the same thing and requests that she fills out all of his students paperwork, all the incoming forms, and it's awful, and it's just again, it's just student paperwork.
Speaker 2:Is it his paperwork?
Speaker 1:No, he had all the paperwork for all the kids. That's why I think it was the students. That's why there was multiple clipboard.
Speaker 2:Well, that's, that's your answer. He came in on the bus, thanks, I did it myself.
Speaker 1:You're welcome, but there was something wrong with his heart. They bring in Han, who calls her straight out and says you could have done this yourself if you weren't acting like a blithering idiot because, to be honest, Bailey is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I don't think it's fair of Han to sorry. I'm unwrapping these little love heart lollies that Aila gave me the other day and I'm trying to do it away from the microphone because they're so noisy, but then I just realized it's also a crunchy lolly.
Speaker 1:A terrible idea.
Speaker 2:Look, they were just here. They were on my desk. I was looking at them. The little treat was tempting. I won't do it.
Speaker 1:But like I don't know that Han's terribly out of place, she was called from what other end of the hospital? What are ever else she was doing, which I'm assuming was torturing?
Speaker 2:I'm not saying she's out of place, she's correct. But you cannot call another staff member a blithering idiot in front of patients or at all to be fair At all, yeah, but it was very inappropriate. Yes, she could have called Bailey out into the hall and said like, hey, you're acting. Oh, I got my cats throwing a fucking hell today. I cannot Dana.
Speaker 1:Did they do it on the rug or on the floorboards, of course?
Speaker 2:on the rug? Of course on the rug. Why are you throwing up?
Speaker 1:Oh, my God Do you want to go get it off your rug.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, yeah, fuck, sorry. Is it the most interruptions we've had doing a podcast In so long? In his heart.
Speaker 1:They go into surgery and when they come out he says to her you have always been my angel. And says all these nice things. Looks deeply into her eyes, holds her hand and says did you finish the paperwork? And George, george has been watching this, george.
Speaker 2:George in this moment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, George is watching this all day and the second she comes out of that room he says you saved his life and he is taking you for granted. He deserves a long speech and we're like, oh my God, other people know about the Bailey monologue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, this isn't, this is a real life thing that they all experience. This isn't just us watching. It's like, oh, we all love a Bailey monologue.
Speaker 1:We all love a Bailey monologue and George is on the money. This guy deserves a fucking talking to, but instead of letting George have it, or Marcus Derek and his beautiful hair is the one that gets the speech Do you have this Again? This is where we find out a bit more about both of these characters in high school.
Speaker 2:And I love this speech.
Speaker 1:Did you write it down. Should I end this quick, okay.
Speaker 2:I wrote down most of it. Yeah, I wrote down an abbreviated version, because I mainly wrote down Lexi's one, because Lexi's speech is one of my faves.
Speaker 1:All right, I've got this one. They're about to leave and Derek asks Bailey something innocuous, maybe for a drink, and she calls them hair products. Sit down in her most commanding Bailey voice.
Speaker 2:Most Bailey Bailey.
Speaker 1:And she says you and your perfect hair, your perfect face. I pay attention to people in all walks of life. It's guys like you who don't see people like me. Guys like you don't see girls like me. We don't exist for you. We exist to do homework and to build up your ego. I am a successful married mother. I'm a chief resident of a major Metro hospital. I am a surgeon who saved his life today and he still doesn't see me. I may as well be that high school girl with the mushroom haircut, coke bottle glasses and a band uniform, and I kind of got a little bit taken off by that last sentence, considering Bailey's haircut right now is quite reminiscent of mushrooms.
Speaker 2:I wish she had said it to Marcus, but I understand not being able to and also like it probably wouldn't have given her any closure that she was looking for. If she said it to Marcus anyway, I don't think he would have really taken it on board or get understood.
Speaker 1:I do actually really think, saying it to Derek, like even though she's assumed a lot here, Presumptions aside, because she wasn't necessarily wrong in her presumptions, because we find out this episode that Derek doesn't really pay much attention to anyone who's outside of his surgeon clique, and even then he doesn't give a flying fuck about the new interns. The only interns or residents he does care about is Bailey, meredith and Meredith's associates.
Speaker 2:Well, it is interesting because Rose says in surgery she says like the hospital is exactly like high school, and Derek doesn't even register that as being a possibility, which I think tells me so much Because people who had a good time at high school and who were in the apex of the cliques, don't notice cliques.
Speaker 1:They don't think they exist. They don't think the cliques exist, correct, and he's in the apex clique, whereas in high school we find out, and I think this is their way of us. They want us to have sympathy for Derek, but all I see is oh, so now you're okay with treating people the way that you were treated in high school, not?
Speaker 2:that cute Derek. I don't know if they want us to have sympathy for Derek, but I think they want us to like, be like oh, he's just like us. He's not this amazing, he's not on this pedestal. The show wants us to think. He's like so above everyone and so incredible and this like perfect man Well obviously not.
Speaker 1:So they want us to empathize with him.
Speaker 2:then and they're like oh no, he's just like us, he's okay. Do you know what I mean by giving him?
Speaker 1:this. I was 110 pounds, I hadn't discovered moose yet, so I had an afro, I had acne, and I too wore a band uniform, and I would have been honored to take a girl like you to homecoming.
Speaker 2:Which is really sweet. It is really sweet that he said that.
Speaker 1:It is. The other person in this episode who talks about teenagers in high school in a way that made me uncomfortable was Mark, because Mark's patient today oh no, is a teenage girl. Her name's Trisha and she's got a broken ass and a big cut on her forehead. She's a cheerleader and we see her friends come in and the side eye is strong, because these little bitties come in and say don't worry, I'm taking over as captain for you and we've convinced your boyfriend that he should still take you to homecoming, regardless of what you look like and Kelly's like, oh no.
Speaker 2:Kelly's just scoffing at them every chance she gets. She's like, oh, cheerleaders, which actually, like I do have to say I love Kelly, but I do think that's a little bit judgy. 100%, okay, cool, because I know that, yes, they're not the nicest, yes, they're kind of annoying, but also, like Kelly, you're a grown woman. Don't scoff at these tiny children. That's her, I think, that's her insecurity and her teenage self coming out. I just think everyone reverted back to a younger version of themselves today and that was Kelly's kind of like coming out there.
Speaker 1:I will say Mark didn't, because they're all having lunch in the cafeteria and the mini Christina and Meredith, who they were both treating a little bit earlier, talking about their boy drama, are sitting there and they're having a giggle and they're having a stare and Mark goes on this chat about oh yeah, it started when I was in high school. Women just couldn't stop looking at me. And these girls come over and they say, oh, you look just like my father. But that wasn't the part that I was grossed out about. I'm glad that they pointed out the fact that this man is old enough to be their dad. But then, literally two scenes before that, alex, mark and Kelly are looking after Trisha and Mark's at her face and Alex is preparing the wound at her other end and as Mark's leaving the room, at her other, end, at her other end.
Speaker 1:At her other end, as Mark's leaving the room over his shoulder whispers into Alex's ear oh my god, hot cheerleaders ass. You are talking about a child.
Speaker 2:Mark, he also makes his other comment because Alex says something about looking.
Speaker 1:He's talking about a child.
Speaker 2:Oh, I know, but he does also make this other comment. Someone says something about it and he says don't look at it. So it's like he's kind of he's talking about a child. I don't know, I'm defending him, I know, I don't know I caught myself, I'm going to shut up. Yeah, he's talking about a child. That's happened.
Speaker 1:I think this episode might be about empathy, to be honest. Oh yeah, because Callie is sort of referring to this girl as vapid, because she thinks it's really silly to think that you're losing your entire identity. And this girl thinks her life is over and Mark kind of turns around and says she is losing her identity. This is what makes for her, and that's yeah it's really hard.
Speaker 2:It's how she sees herself in the world, this is how she understands who she is, and to lose that is massive, like that is like a full blown identity crisis. If your whole world revolves around one thing and that thing gets taken away from you, like who are you? And that's literally what's going on with her. And I do like that Mark defends her in that moment because Callie has been scoffing at this all day, like it's so silly that she cares so much about cheerleading. But then, you know, anyone could turn around and be like oh, it's so silly that Callie cares so much about ortho. It's the same thing. I just don't think you can, like you know, put someone down for liking a fit. Like don't yuck someone's yum, basically Correct. It doesn't matter that she's a teenager.
Speaker 1:Another reason I think this episode might be more about empathy is because of Danny Pencilize Cup eyes the depth of the pencil when we remove the cup versus the depth of the pencil when we're in surgery. It changes throughout, but we do have in a period.
Speaker 2:I mean it's very good special effects, isn't it Like? That pencil is right in there. It's all up in the business.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's hectic, but Izzy works alongside Derek and Lexi and with Danny, but we're more invested in Gracie from the Nanny Maggie Gracie, damn it. I've been calling her Maggie. In my notes her name is Maggie.
Speaker 2:That's because she's probably as old as Maggie was, but she's the youngest one from the Nanny. She's the baby, but she's just she's all grown up.
Speaker 1:Now she is the youngest one, and she was in Californication as well, fucking and punching Wow yeah.
Speaker 2:So Gracie from the Nanny is Danny's best friend, like actual best friend, like George and Izzy, without the sexual attraction.
Speaker 2:And they're the weirdos. Yeah, they're the little outcasts of the school and they, you know they're entwined. They are so connected. Their whole school life revolves around having each other and I know actually what that feels like in high school. I, for the first four years how many years are in high school? Six, we have six years in our high school. It was just me and my best friend, just the two of us being little weirdo outcasts together, and we got a bit older and we made other friends, like we always had other friends. That it wasn't the same. It was like we only understood each other.
Speaker 1:Well, that's kind of where Izzy's coming from, because Lexie doesn't seem to really be able to understand these two kids. She says you know, I always wanted to reach out to the lonely kid in school, but I didn't know how. And we find out that not only was Lexie prom queen, so she was very popular, but she was also the class valedictorian. And she can't relate.
Speaker 2:And it's funny because she says this too easy and it's almost like she's expecting Izzy to be like yeah, I can't relate either, like saying we're the same girl and Izzy just turns around being like we are so different. Yeah, like we are so different.
Speaker 1:And Izzy looks like the Quinter Central prom queen it would be, assumed, and I can't stop calling her Maggie.
Speaker 2:I don't know what her name is in the show actually, because I was just calling her Gracie the whole time.
Speaker 1:So Gracie is stuck in this waiting room while her friends in surgery, and I saw this shit in high school and it still bothers me now. When someone's ill or someone passes away, there are all of these random citizens who didn't know them acting as if they do, getting really emotionally invested, and I've never really understood it.
Speaker 2:I have a theory about it. When you are that age, most people haven't experienced grief like that, haven't experienced loss of someone, haven't experienced death. Maybe in a few years, maybe a few grandparents maybe. I mean, unluckily, some people definitely have, of course, but the majority of people at that age in high school haven't known someone that's gone through that and they were all on the bus crash. They all experienced this absolute trauma of watching people get hurt or being flung around in a bus Like that is a horrific, traumatic experience, and to know that your peers were more hurt than you or some of them probably witnessed it and saw it and a lot of them are injured.
Speaker 2:I understand where Gracie is coming from, saying like it's weird, I'd feel more for them if they knew him. I also understand that need for these kids to express and discover what grief and trauma is, and they're doing it collectively. They're doing it with each other, like they're all experiencing this one thing together. I don't think they need to go above and beyond and act like they actually knew this kid, but I do think they're allowed to feel something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I think it's the sitting around talking about all your memories and how good of a guy this is, totally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally. I mean that's over the top and that's. I mean that definitely happens, and I think I saw some of that as well. I remember when someone from my high school passed away, like it was the same thing, we all went to a school assembly and everyone was trying to like piece together how they knew this person and you could really tell, like, the people that knew this person and the people that didn't. Yeah, I do understand that for sure. But I think there is space and there should be understanding for people grappling with death and trauma like this for the first time.
Speaker 1:I can see how Gracie feels so alone because I still suck. Oh, definitely, I'm not having your person there. And again it's this empathy with Izzy. Again, not only is Izzy going through the same thing, where she is losing her person and the one that she goes to for support in the high school that is, her hospital but also that this girl thinks that Izzy is a prom queen. And I think this is one of the first times. Like we know that Izzy grew up in a trailer park and we know that she had a daughter, but she hasn't really been so flippantly open about it, especially in front of her interns. And she tells Bracey that no, I wasn't any of that. I was the girl in the cheap clothes. I was the girl that came from the trailer park who got pregnant and who was put in the pregnant class. You lost your best friend.
Speaker 2:This is a huge realization moment for Izzy as well, because she's realizing as she's speaking. She's telling a story about how she's watching Gracie lose her best friend in the hospital and she's like, oh shit, like I've just lost my best friend because I got so confused, I turned him into my boyfriend and now I don't have anyone to run to anymore. I don't have that person in the high school of the hospital. I love that, the high school of the hospital it is. That's exactly what it is. And this is her big realization moment. She's been trying to talk to people about George Allgate. Yeah, she's gone to Merida. She's gone to Christina, I think she's gone around. She's trying to connect and she doesn't have her person.
Speaker 1:No, she doesn't really have anyone at this stage, and I think that's potentially why she's talking to her patients about it. I've just realized that we've completely forgotten one patient this episode.
Speaker 2:We're getting there.
Speaker 1:We're getting there, so that patient today is Thatcher Gray.
Speaker 2:I mean this is kind of the hardest one to talk about anyway. So correct.
Speaker 1:So Thatcher's in the hospital yelling and screaming and Alex has the job of getting gray. He is demanding to speak to Gray. Weber intervenes and says you should get Lexi. Finally, finally Weber, finally Jesus.
Speaker 2:Christ.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? He didn't throw Meredith directly under the bus in an uncomfortable situation in a workplace.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, finally, but also Weber, you're the fucking chief of surgery. If this man does not require medical assistance, maybe call the police.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Lexi is also in a place of work, you can clearly tell that you're quickly. This is it's very obvious that he's causing destruction I can't speak safe disruptions. He's like being inappropriate with the doctors and he doesn't actually need. I mean, maybe he does need medical attention, but I it's pretty clear he's just drunk and dehydrated, like he just needs to go home and go to bed.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But Alex tries to get Lexi and she says no because she's assuming that he wants to talk about the sex. So he grabs Meredith instead and we get what we assume and what Meredith assumes to be heartfelt moments From that show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Meredith is actually having like, quite like a nice time.
Speaker 1:It's not a nice time, but it's like it's an okay time he's not immediately fashion heads with totally, and he's not being aggressive, he's.
Speaker 2:he's saying things like I wish I got to spend more time with you.
Speaker 1:I'm really proud of you. Well, he says that he regrets not letting her come to Susan's funeral it's a huge thing to admit. And he says that he's tried apologizing dozens of times, he's never gotten there and that he'll regret that till the day he dies.
Speaker 2:He's. He's really showing a different side of himself to Meredith and she is laughing it up as you would. She hasn't had this. She hasn't known this side of her dad. She hasn't had this. She hasn't had any kind of parental affection for a long time, like not since Susan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, probably not from her actual parents and Susan, really just a blip on the radar of her life, totally.
Speaker 2:So we get this moment where Meredith is quite like I keep going to say words, but it's giving it too much credit Not joyful but like hopeful about this relationship with her dad, or this little spark of maybe there's something there and maybe this guy there's a pleasantness.
Speaker 1:Pleasantness. Yeah, I don't want to get too. It's potentially her first. It's her first non awkward conversation with him. It's the first time she's ever felt comfortable around him, or?
Speaker 2:I mean, last time we saw him he slapped her in the face. So like this is an improvement.
Speaker 1:Oh gosh. So you know. She finds Lexi and says hey, your dad's here.
Speaker 2:Well, first she finds. First she finds Derek and she says like, hey, like I'm actually having like a quite a nice time. My dad's here and he's quite charming actually. And she says Is it weird that I like my drunk dad better than my sober dad because he's drunk, but he's quite nice when he's drunk. What she's failing to realize is that he's potentially been drunk every time that she's seen him.
Speaker 2:And Derek explains that he's actually having a really bad day because everything that's happening with pencil in the eye boy and watching his best friend Be so hopeful that her best friend will come out of the coma, and Derek just knows that it's inevitable that it won't and you can't tell her. And what else is happening, I think, with Derek is that he I mean, I just think Derek sees a metaphor in all of his patients to his relationships with Meredith and I think he it's him realizing that he needs to not wait for Meredith anymore. I know he went on that date with Sydney baby steps, but I think he was purely doing that for Meredith's attention and I think maybe something's ticking over in his brain, being like this relationship isn't going to wake out of, wake up out of the coma. Maybe I need to look elsewhere for something serious. But actually, even though she's like having a nice little moment with him now, I think he just sees it as she's not ready. Anyway, then we get to Lexi, and this is my favorite part of this whole episode.
Speaker 1:Meredith starts off by sort of talking down to Lexi a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, super patronizing yeah.
Speaker 1:Your dad's here. He wasn't really a problem. He's very, very sad, though I didn't know it was Susan's birthday. Maybe you should be keeping a better eye on him and coming from her. Like Meredith, you know how hard it was dealing with a parent who wasn't in full control of themselves.
Speaker 2:Well, she exactly. But Meredith is coming at Lexi from like this new big sister kind of judgy, patronizing place, because she feels sorry for her dad, for Thatcher, because Thatcher wanted to see Lexi and Lexi didn't want to see him. And now Meredith is all of a sudden like, oh, like, don't be a bad daughter. Sorry, she didn't say that and I'm not going to say that in quotation marks. You should have helped your dad, which is so unfair, because exactly what you said every single time that Ellis came in, that was the last person that Meredith wanted to deal with.
Speaker 1:She ran away several times and she definitely ran away from Thatcher. But again we're seeing more of Lexi, and Lexi is no longer this one dimensional character and it started snowballing at this point. We're getting more and more of Lexi every episode, because Lexi, she's not fucking having it. She's dealt with Meredith blowing her off. She's dealt with Meredith being mean to her. She's dealt with being bullied in her workplace. She's dealt with Meredith kicking her out of her house and you know what Meredith's to send something with anything in the conversation regarding Thatcher.
Speaker 2:She's finally done, because I think she's realizing like, oh my gosh, like I'm actually, I'm a really strong person and me trying to prove myself to Meredith over and over again, I can't bother anymore because Meredith is showing my naive she is to Lexi.
Speaker 1:Situation in this moment.
Speaker 2:Now it's time for Lexi just to lay it all out. And she says every day is my mother's birthday. My mother was born in March. He lied, he's a liar. I'm glad, I'm really glad, that you found him charming and I'm sure he was delightful. He's a blast after five drinks, not so much after nine, though he gets a little weepy and mean. He's a drunk Meredith. He probably came in to tell you how wonderful you are, how sad that he is that he doesn't get to spend more time with you. Yesterday he said I was his favorite daughter. The day before I was an ungrateful bitch. The week before he wrote me a check for $20,000 because he said I deserved everything life had to offer, because he was so proud of me A lifetime's worth of proud. So thank you for letting me know. I need to keep an eye on him, thanks.
Speaker 1:I quite like that they're now seeing the other side to their father, Like Lexi couldn't understand why Meredith hated that just so much and why she resented him, and Meredith couldn't understand what Lexi saw in him. And they've both said several times or at least Meredith has we have different dads.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like now you had a dad that chose you and chose your family and you know was present and went to your whatever matches, network matches, whatever, she did, he was her cheerleader Totally and Lexi couldn't understand how he was so different. But also, what we don't get in this episode is some sort of timeline for when this change happened for Lexi. I'm assuming it came with Susan's death, but I don't say we don't really know.
Speaker 1:I would say yes, because the day that that she came in, slapped her and told her not to come to the funeral, he was drunk, so I'm guessing he just hasn't gotten sober since she passed.
Speaker 2:Right, because we also get this moment later with Alex and Lexi in the elevator, because Alex is kind of you know, alex is witnessed drunk that for a few times now, when he saw her, when he saw him at Lexi's house and then today in the hospital, and Alex is basically a bit like suck it up, princess, in the elevator. He's like I had to start cleaning up my dad when I was what? 14, seven, oh seven.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, yeah, when I was really young.
Speaker 2:That's when I became the man of the house. What you have to deal with? Your dad drunk. You have to start cleaning up at 24. He's basically like deal with it.
Speaker 1:It's a bit rude. It is a bit rude. I think it's Alex putting up his shield again, because when he dropped Lexi off saw thatcher, he went to the store and got him a bottle of scotch. He kept her secret. She doesn't want to talk about it, she doesn't want to acknowledge it. So when he came to find her today to speak to her about thatcher being in the hospital, she assumed that Alex was trying to probe more about that. She blew him off.
Speaker 1:And the second anyone blows Alex off when he's trying to be kind the force field comes back up and I think that in the elevator this is his force field. Like I tried to help, I tried to empathize, I tried to let you know that he was here and I tried to do it on the down low and not tell anyone else. You told me to fuck off. This is the repercussion.
Speaker 2:Whereas she was. She's embarrassed she, you know, you can see how embarrassed she is. She doesn't want to deal with it, whereas, like, if she let Alex in, she would have known that, like, hey, he can actually help her because he comes with experience in this, he knows what this feels like. But yeah, it just doesn't. It just doesn't work, unfortunately, because this could be really helpful.
Speaker 1:Do you know who is willing to give someone else a thousand chances? Christina, she got in there. Bailey is chief resident and she was getting back on cardio.
Speaker 2:I really like Christina's arc this episode. It's not our major thing, she's not an A storyline today, but I think her storyline is really important. I think it teaches us a valuable lesson that when things are meant for you, they come to. You can't force it. It's a lesson that I need to learn. That's why I'm laughing and that's why I'm pulling these things.
Speaker 1:I'm hoping and praying that that will happen, dear listeners, because we all know that I'm having surgery in four days. What they don't know is that I copped an astronomical rent increase, which means that while I'm recovering from surgery, I also need to pack and move house. So I cross your fingers, cross your toes, cross your labias, cross whatever you have to cross for DA La and Miss Tamsen, because we're about to have about time. Yeah, but Christina's learning. She tries so hard to be exactly what she thinks her needs. She wants to do the things that got her to the top of the pecking order when she was an intern and they're just not working Well yeah, and these are the things that worked for.
Speaker 2:These are things that have worked for her in the past Putting in extra work, knowing all the answers, taking up all of the space in the room. You know she needs to be seen and heard and she needs to be correct at all times. She needs to take up all of the space and that's how it's worked and understandably so, that's what she continues to do. She's never had anyone turn around and be like less, do less, less, please.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like she's less sleep and she doesn't know how to do it. And she doesn't really realize just a new way of working what she's doing and why Han hates her, and that's very much one of the hardest things to get a work around, especially in a workplace environment. You can get the vibes that someone doesn't like you, but unless they outline exactly what it is you're doing that annoys them, everything you do will annoy them. I'm loving the friendship.
Speaker 2:So thank God for Kelly really Loving it. So Kelly and Christina's little home life and new friendship is going well, I do think. I mean, is there any way that Christina is like using Kelly's friendship for her benefit? I think when it came to the study cards.
Speaker 1:That was definitely a manipulation along the Marcus King route. But Christina didn't ask for help. Christina thought she was doing the most, she thought she was being helpful. She got all these x-rays and Kelly was watching and just said back off, you're brown nosing, you're being annoying, just give it a minute.
Speaker 2:But watching.
Speaker 1:Christina back off, take a nap and then receive that page and her trying not to run, looking like she's about to shit herself and can't find the toilet.
Speaker 2:It's so good, Amazing, it's so good For her to get that page from Han. You could just see a part of her inside that was dim Like her light. She just lit up, she was so happy and that moment of her wanting to run down the corridor but having to like Be chill stuff herself, she's like be cool, christina. Be cool, you've got this. Be chill, I mean, I feel that I get that.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's me, me trying to be chill Watching, you realize that the game was to run around my home and find the babies. That that was you trying to be chill. This game was being explained. Tamsen was in the kitchen. No one was paying attention. I was like guys, listen, we're playing, find the babies. And then suddenly no Holds bars, tamsen is bouncing around my kitchen.
Speaker 2:You have to explain that they're not real babies. Sorry, they were tiny, tiny little babies, the size of a stuff like tiny toy babies. I'm finding them everywhere. There was 150.
Speaker 1:Oh, everywhere there was 220. There are 220 of them hiding around my house. I put some in some goods but and it was the job of the it was the job of the 25 people there to run around the house and find all of these little babies. And when Tamsen clued on halfway through this is the game we were playing you could not hold her down. She was bouncing.
Speaker 1:She was running, she was going to find those babies. It's like, you know, when you tell a dog to sit but it's so excited that someone's at the door. It's that, and that is the exact walk that Christina was doing through the hospital. And look, we're pretty much at the end of our high school empathy episode. Like it, kelly comes full circle and talks to our cheerleader about losing her job and the fact that it gave her the freedom to be able to do the things she loved. So maybe losing captain wasn't great, you know, but she still gets to be part of the team and do what she likes. Christina, I actually think it was almost bigger than that.
Speaker 2:It was we talk about what it means to be chief of the hospital. So much in these, in the newer seasons, because this running theme is that once you become chief which seems like you know it's the biggest job, it's the highest job, you're in charge of everything, but once you're out there, your job becomes paperwork.
Speaker 1:You don't get to be a surgeon, no more.
Speaker 2:And that's kind of the realization that Kelly had after she lost chief resident, because when she was chief resident she was doing paperwork, blocking herself in cupboards, doing schedules, things that she doesn't actually like doing. She just wanted it to prove that she had a place in this hospital that was treating her like shit. She was getting bullied so hard that she felt like she didn't belong, she didn't like being there. So I think for her chief residency was her trying to find her place and after losing chief residency she's realized that she had a place all along and she's just a good at her job and that's she should just stay there. So by telling this story to this cheerleader, she's saying like by not being squad captain, you actually just get to do more of what you like doing the cheerleading. I think it's really nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so do I, but everyone kind of just leaves. Derek heads to the bar with Mark and is put directly in his place by Sydney and then gets to go home with his consolation prize. Sydney puts him in his place and he walks up to Meredith and takes her home. He is stopped on the way to the bar though. He's stopped and he is apologized to. He doesn't know who this woman is. He had to ask around and he says you're Rose, Because she says you have no idea who I am Because he didn't click no.
Speaker 2:Even though she's worked with him for like a numerous amount of surgeries, and she says.
Speaker 1:He says I should have recognized you and it was thoughtless that I didn't after today. And she says I worked on 36.
Speaker 2:Also, I have to say the show is doing a very good job. They put her in different coloured scrubs so she stands out in that scrub room. No one else has that like green scrub situation. They've clearly gone. Oh, this one's important. Let's highlight her and still.
Speaker 1:Oh, kind of like in a cartoon with a painted background. If one item has a black outline, you're like, oh, they're going to touch that.
Speaker 2:That's going to be relevant. That's relevant over there. That thing that looks a little bit, go get it, go get it, go get it. That's something's happening with this one. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Totally. Yeah, something's happening with this one. And I'm excited to see what happens with this one, because not only has he been in 36 surgeries with her, but apparently she's been in the back of the bar the whole time, because, as he's a scorching Meredith out, he turns over his shoulder and he sees her delicately playing with those stupid fucking red straws the Americans have. They're so small, I don't know what purpose they serve, and she's just given him these big old puppy dog eyes.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So after today, when he failed to recognize her in surgery, he scoffed at her, saying I think this hospital has clicks, and then he didn't recognize her again Failed to recognize her outside. And then had to ask around about who she is. Now she's seeing him in the bar and she's like giving him, like, oh, you're kind of cute, like what so?
Speaker 1:we are playing the. Oh, he pulls my piggy tails. He must like me game. I think so, or it's like.
Speaker 2:I don't want that. He's ignored me for so long. Now I'm getting attention.
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't know. We need to put her down on a table with Sydney and they can have a chat.
Speaker 2:I don't know, because I also like, I also don't want to villainize them, because Derek is one of those guys that is, knows that he's doing it, you know, knows that he's like, doing the eyes, doing the face, being like, oh, I'm giving you attention.
Speaker 1:I don't think we're villainizing her, I am. I am villainizing Derek.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's where I'm going. I'm just saying like there's a, he's all of a sudden gone. Oh, there's an attractive person I didn't notice. I'm going to give her all of the attention, even though I don't know her name. I've never really noticed her before. She's been around all the time, but I'm just going to all of a sudden put all of this energy onto her and her. After not being recognized. I do like it's just annoying because I want her to harm him Same, the way that harm Christina Same.
Speaker 1:But I want, I want that.
Speaker 2:What's happening is this energy that he's giving her. She's like feeling special, which I also understand. That's not her fault.
Speaker 1:But I wish she would just turn around and be like I think of the whole time dude like. The writers made a choice here and we lapped it up. We are older now, we are wiser, and I think that we are in for another one sided relationship that's going to make us angry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we're in for another like so. So realization with Rose.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we are, we are. So we've got that to look forward to next episode and hopefully, what else we have to look forward to next episode is is he and George just calling it and going back Because Izzy arrives home and George is sitting on the I need to put on my shoes chair, yeah, and she says I can't talk to you.
Speaker 1:You used to be the only person I could talk to. Yeah, and I need to talk to my best friend now. I want them back. Sad, it's really sad, and this is kind of where we're at.
Speaker 2:It's like oh, you're not, Maybe it's a, maybe it's Well, if they can get back to being best friends. It's not. But I think it's a hard road back from here, especially after all the awkward sex, Like they have had an awkward time. I think you can get over the awkward sex. I think it's the guilt of.
Speaker 1:I hope at least that what is hardest for them to get over is the horrible way that they treated Callie, because I think they both need to get over it. They need to repent that. Yeah, they need to do something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100% you can get over awkward sex. That's fine, it gives a shit.
Speaker 1:What about the like? Maybe we want to fuck like dolphins in the shower. Yeah, the shower situation. That'll be a fun story when you're drunk and old Fun story when they're older. All right, let's chalk it up to that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%, all right.
Speaker 1:We want to thank you all so much for listening, but I do want to really warn you that we may have a couple of lull episodes. We may even ask the wonderful, the lustrous, incredible Callie to come back and do a couple of episodes, because I am going to be recovering from surgery and moving house.
Speaker 2:So we're going to do our best, but we want to thank you all so much for listening.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much for all of your support, whether it be Patreon, whether it be likes, shares, comments, talking, smack on discord. We love it all. We will see you next time. Thank you all so much for listening. Bye-bye, bye, bye. Oh, my God, I don't know this stuff recording button. You're posing like you're waiting for a photo to be taken.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, what a sumo.