S4E11 Lay Your Hands on Me

 Is it faith or is it assumptions that are making an ass out of you? The house is more than full this week, not only with residents, interns and one enthusiastic attending with a map. But with eggs - potentially rotten eggs - and no we don't mean Alex.

Derek has a plan and he will go with any woman who is willing to make that plan a reality. We just wish Rose had some of the clarity Hahn clearly has. Mrs O'Mally joins us this week to talk baby clothes and bibles. Faith can come in many forms. Religious, Spiritual and Faith in Ones Self. Christina and Izzie battle over the right approach - robotic or sensitive. 

Bailey is having a terrible day, and it is really causing her to question her own faith. The most important question we ask this week; How long does it take Derek to get to work!?

Lots of love,

Tamzen and Ayla
xxx

Greys Anatomy Credits
Created by Shonda Rhimes
Starring :
Ellen Pompeo - Meredith Grey
Sandra Oh - Christina Yang
T. R. Knight - George O'Malley
Justin Chambers - Alex Karev
Katherine Heigl - Izzie Stevens
Chandra Wilson - Miranda Bailey
James Pickens Jr - Richard Webber
Patrick Dempsy - Derek ( McDreamy ) Shepard
Kate Walsh - Addison Shepard
Sara Ramirez - Callie Torres 
Mark Sloan - Eric Dane

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

So you blew me off for a bottle of tequila.

Speaker 2: 0:04

Tequila's no. Good for you. It's called as right. It's not nearly as much fun to wake up to.

Speaker 1: 0:11

Hi everyone, welcome to Scalpel's into Keela, a Grey's Anatomy Recap podcast. I'm A-Loc.

Speaker 2: 0:16

And I'm Tansan, and today we are doing season four, episode 11. Lay your hands on me.

Speaker 1: 0:24

This is a exciting monologue, monologue by Bailey.

Speaker 2: 0:27

Today it's a Bailey monologue. I know this is a big Bailey episode, it's a great Bailey episode and this one makes sense to be a Bailey monologue as, like the character we know this episode, who has the most faith? I suppose.

Speaker 1: 0:45

Will give us a read of the monologue and tell us what it's all about.

Speaker 2: 0:50

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, at least that's what they say. He created the birds of the air and the beasts of the field and looked at his creation and he saw that it was good. And then God created man. And it's been down here a long time. The story goes on to say I can't, I can't not laugh at that, I can't. Good, and I know she means man, as in human beings, but I can't not read it as men, as men, thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:28

And he made man and well, it all did shit, sorry, all right Next next phrase Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Speaker 2: 1:37

Back to Bailey, back in the Bailey vibe of it all. The story goes to say that God created man in his own image, but there's not that much proof of that. After all, god made the sun and the moon and the stars, and all man makes is trouble.

Speaker 1: 1:56

I can't read this Like she's not wrong.

Speaker 2: 1:58

No, and when man finds himself in trouble, which is most of the time, he turns to something bigger than himself Women To love, love or faith or religion to make sense of it all. But for a surgeon, the only thing that makes any kind of sense is medicine. As doctors, we know more about the human body now than at any point in our history, but the miracle of life itself, why people live and die, why they get hurt, that is still a mystery. We want to know the reason, the secret, the answer at the back of the book, because the thought of our being all alone down here is just too much for us to bear. But at the end of the day, the fact that we show up for each other in spite of our differences, no matter what we believe, is reason enough to keep believing. It's a big one, is it?

Speaker 1: 2:52

I kind of love being insignificant, do you?

Speaker 1: 2:56

I think it's important to feel insignificant every now and again there was this brilliant webcomic that I saw on some meme website years ago, where it was like, when you think about it, the Earth is just a tiny pinprick in the galaxy, like our planet is so small in comparison to the sun. And if you've ever been to the planetarium and just been absolutely dwarfed by the sheer size of our universe, it's completely irrelevant that I ate an entire cake in one sitting a couple of days ago. Yeah, yeah, I am just a speck of dust inside a giant's eye.

Speaker 2: 3:34

I was about to say. When I go for a drive, I like to pull up to the side of the road, look up and stare up at the something in the sky. It's a great album by Kimia Dawson Great album. It's a great song.

Speaker 1: 3:46

I love giants. Yeah, Anyhow, I derailed everything. I love being insignificant. I love just that little moment of clarity that you get once every few months. We like it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2: 4:01

I think it's really important to remember that, I think it's really important to have those moments and it's I think that's why I think that's why I really love aliens.

Speaker 1: 4:15

I love aliens, oh I have been meaning to ask you about the news.

Speaker 2: 4:21

I know I haven't. I've been following it, yet I'm very, very excited. I mean, they haven't given us too much yet, but I mean they're basically saying that they have proof, but they're just slowly leaking it. It's very exciting. It's very exciting.

Speaker 1: 4:41

I'm thoroughly enjoying it as well. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:44

So this episode is all about faith. It's all about believing in something bigger, whether it be aliens, whether it be God, whether it be love, whether it be being a speck of dust, being insignificant in the cosmos, being small, believing in something bigger than ourselves, because sometimes that just makes it so much easier to get through the day. All of our, all of our characters today kind of have to think bigger than themselves or think beyond themselves and see a bigger picture. And I really like the way that this episode teaches us about our patients. Our patients teaches us about our doctors. Well, with this being a theme, I like seeing them have, have belief in something else other than the medicine. I like figuring out what else makes them tick, what else drives them forward. That's cool. I like this episode. It's also not not a huge episode. It's it. This episode gives us space to breathe and think, and it's not. You know, these last two episodes have been so big and so heavy on the drama and how much chaos is going on. There's space. There's space today, nice.

Speaker 1: 6:09

I'm just saying that. You know there isn't a lot of space. I feel like the Grey House is just filled to the brim this morning. It really is. Yeah, also, I can't figure out for the fucking life of me what she's done to those eggs All I could think of. Like eggs smell like sulfur, I get it. But like how could she fuck them up? Yeah, like I feel like there must have been like a rotten egg in the bunch and that's what everyone's smelling, because if you ever cracked an egg that was starting to turn or it is one of the most unpleasant smells you will ever experience. But, like you know, because that smell is so overwhelming which is like it's eggs with avocado, like chill guys, it can't be that bad.

Speaker 2: 6:56

Unless she's cooked it in something weird, like in a weird oil or something, or I don't know A friend of mine, once someone I was living with, got very excited.

Speaker 1: 7:07

I got home and they were like I'm cooking a roast. And I was like, cool, why does it smell funny in here? And it turns out, instead of grabbing like the spray oil for the pan, that sprayed the pan with bug spray.

Speaker 1: 7:21

See, that's maybe that's what happened. Another confusing thing was I don't think I ever really conceptualized how far away Derek's block of land was from the hospital, and also the land that he's been parking his trailer in was the land that he bought right, and now we're seeing this whole other side of the land that looks out over Seattle. But he's been catching the ferry every day and when we see the view from his property over Seattle, how fucking far away from the hospital is this bit?

Speaker 2: 8:04

of land. It seems very far, doesn't it, but I don't know. It's a good view, though, but it's a beautiful view. But yeah, it does seem really Not practical for working the hours that they do, because I mean what? Okay, so if you're Bailey, bailey is home between the hours of 12 and 6am. So if you're Derek, I'm assuming he's at the hospital just as much potentially more, I'm not sure. So imagine if you have that travel time, which is probably drive to get the ferry, get the ferry and then drive from the ferry to your land, like that's got to be well over an hour two hours.

Speaker 1: 8:53

Shout out to any of our listeners. Have you figured out the geography of Grey's Anatomy and where it could possibly be? In Seattle, Because this makes no sense to any of us. No, it's far away.

Speaker 2: 9:06

Yeah and it's very strange. I mean add that to the reasons of maybe Meredith's not ready to move into this property yet, because maybe she just needs a bit more sleep.

Speaker 1: 9:18

Yeah, that's fair, because I'm pretty sure her house is within like walking and or driving distance of the hospital, like it's close, definitely driving.

Speaker 2: 9:27

I mean they can't pull together, but I don't think it's that far away. No, but look after. They spend a very cluttered morning eating eggs and avocado and whatever cheese is in the fridge.

Speaker 1: 9:38

In the house because we've got Alex, Izzy, George and Lexie are all there.

Speaker 2: 9:46

Yeah, it's the house of taking in strays, which it's always been, and we see that again and it's really nice.

Speaker 1: 9:53

When we get to the hospital and Callie and Hannah sort of bonding over their dislike of people.

Speaker 2: 10:00

Derek and Rose are bonding over their lack of each other. Have a little chat.

Speaker 1: 10:08

But Derek pretty quickly says like kissing you and that was all fun, but I'm seeing someone, so brownie points for shutting it down and not stringing her along. I agree.

Speaker 2: 10:20

And Rose also says like this let's not let this one complicate a working relationship, Yep.

Speaker 1: 10:28

So I actually think they both went around about this very well, she only has to say that because she tries to speak to Derek about something and he won't even make eye contact with her and has to remind him. Hey, chill, it was just a kiss. You didn't even know what my name was up until three days ago, you horrendous turd. Yeah, fuck, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Unfortunately, george is doing classic George Weasel behavior and hiding behind them in the nurses station.

Speaker 2: 11:00

Yeah, look, he was good last week. He stepped up but he's just back to being Weasley George. He overhears about the kiss and he.

Speaker 1: 11:12

Everyone's making assumptions this episode. Everyone's assuming that everyone has all of the information. True, because we also get Mrs O'Malley this episode. She's back, she's so excited and she's got a bag full of baby clothes.

Speaker 2: 11:32

I love the energy Mrs O'Malley brings to this show.

Speaker 1: 11:36

I did, until she got really, really religious on us and I was like, oh no, that's not. Oh yeah, I'm not into that. But she assumes that George and Kelly are still together and everything's fine and starts handing gender neutral baby clothes over to Kelly.

Speaker 2: 11:55

Yes, I guess it is her assumption. But also, why would she assume that they've broken up? I don't think you just jump to that conclusion. George hasn't talked to her in a very long time and there was a moment it just feels like so long ago that George and Kelly were together. It feels like seasons ago. It feels like so much has happened, but there was a moment in time when they had mentioned when they were talking about kids and they had mentioned kids. So I don't think it's Mrs O'Malley's fault for assuming that's what's going on.

Speaker 1: 12:31

No, not at all, but I was more going to say it was Izzy's confessing of everything, assuming that what Mrs O'Malley was talking about was her and George getting it on and breaking up the marriage. Well yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:46

I mean Izzy's just putting her foot in it again. I feel like Pretty classic.

Speaker 1: 12:50

Izzy behavior.

Speaker 2: 12:51

Classic Izzy behavior. Classic Izzy behavior. She just sees Mrs O'Malley and assumes like oh yep, she's talking about me.

Speaker 1: 13:03

Everyone must always be talking about me, at all time.

Speaker 2: 13:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 13:07

But yeah, Mrs O'Malley is in the hospital today to just touch base and check in and see what's going on and just get really religious about this whole thing, mothery, oh yeah, and that I just feel like this oh, my son hasn't messaged me in a long time, I'm just going to come into his workplace and force myself in the middle of his life. It's annoying to me, oh 100%. But also, that doesn't take away from the fact that I do really enjoy Mrs O'Malley. I do too. I do really enjoy her as a character. If she was my mum I would be hard, but as a character lover I think she's fun. I just think she brings an energy. We don't see very much into the Grey's Anatomy world and I enjoy it.

Speaker 1: 14:03

She's really, really loving, understanding, generous mother out of all of the parents in our Grey's Anatomy world. Then this episode we see another side of her. We see this side where religion trumps happiness.

Speaker 2: 14:26

Yeah, it's really disappointing and it's really hard. It's hard to watch it.

Speaker 1: 14:34

Her answer to it is confess to the priest and it'll all be better. You guys just need to work on it. It's like yeah, maybe, but also no. That's not the path we want to go down anymore.

Speaker 2: 14:49

Yeah, it's really complicated because I feel like sometimes people who are very religious and put a lot of their eggs in the safe basket when they are going through a hard time, it just gets more and more intense.

Speaker 2: 15:09

So I do have a little bit of leniency, I suppose, to Mrs O'Malley in this moment, because she is still really, really grieving her husband and I think it's icky that she forces this religion so hard on George and Kelly and says things like we don't do divorce, we are Catholic, we don't believe in that.

Speaker 2: 15:31

You need to apologize to the priest and figure it out. But later she says how much she's missing her husband and a part of it I just feel like is so wrapped up in her own grief that maybe that's why she's hammering in this so hard, because she needs to believe in something else. She needs to believe in faith so strongly to still feel like she's connected to her husband. That's what's getting her through and unfortunately, with that belief and with believing it's so hard, comes the ugly side of it, the side that's religion over happiness. It's you follow these strict rules above your own, what you need in your life, and I think it's unfortunate that she can't separate her own needs and why she feels like she needs to have faith, separate it from what George and Kelly need. But she can't.

Speaker 1: 16:37

Yeah, she never really comes around to it in the end either. I did like her chat with Kelly. When Kelly finds her in the waiting room because she didn't want to leave because Bailey's son was in trouble, and that was very sweet and they have a conversation and Mrs O'Malley says in God's eyes, marriage is forever. And we hear from Kelly and this was devastating, to be honest when she says I used to believe in God, marriage, heaven and hell. And you're like, oh dear Lord, has George ruined this woman so hard that he's completely abolished her entire faith system? That's horrific. That is a huge statement. When she says I believe in love and second chances and that even though George wasn't the one for me, it's okay that I believed he was because I got to be an O'Malley and I loved being an O'Malley.

Speaker 2: 17:37

This scene broke me. I cried. It's not even that biggest thing and it's not even that huge and emotional, but, sarah Merritt, their performance is so detailed and so real and it holds so many different emotions in such a short amount of time. It's really beautiful to watch. I also think the writing in this scene is really good. The scenes don't need to be long, they don't need to be intensely emotional to be really affecting, and I think this is just a really, really exceptionally done scene.

Speaker 1: 18:11

Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2: 18:12

Like both of these actors work really well together. It's very affecting.

Speaker 1: 18:18

There was a scene in this episode that by the end of it I was expecting it to go somewhere and just never really did. It was just like the quickest setup for a tidbit at the end of the episode when we get to the hospital. No, another one. When we get to the hospital, Lexi is asking Bailey for a shot of epinephrine. She's just having an allergic reaction. And Bailey palms are off to go to the trolley because she's distracted and George and Lexi meet at the trolley and Lexi is broken out in some of the worst hives I've ever seen because she's like I have no boundaries, I can't say no to people, so I ate eggs, even though I'm very allergic to eggs.

Speaker 1: 19:05

And it kind of led to. You're like okay, cute George and Lexi, they're doing a little bit more bonding. This is nice, yeah. But then we get no more information on this the entire episode, except when we get to the very end of the episode and George says oh so, are you still looking for an apartment? That's it. It was just so lazy, it was so sloppy and it came out of nowhere.

Speaker 2: 19:34

Well, I think it doesn't. I mean it doesn't come out of nowhere, because Lexi's been sleeping on the floor at Meredith's house and George kind of has as well. He slept on the floor for one night, but so did Lexi and George are both kind of in limbo at the moment. That's fair. It doesn't totally come from nowhere, but I know what you're saying. I also think, like you know, this idea of the two of them being a bit they're like, they're straight, they're both quite lost. They are bonding over that they were, you know, they became friends as interns. And I don't think it comes from nowhere, but I know what you're saying, I think. I think that being allergic to egg thing was was bizarre.

Speaker 1: 20:18

Yeah, I thought that was going to be like a little patient moment. Yeah, but what?

Speaker 2: 20:22

was it Because I also feel like to my recollection that never comes up again?

Speaker 1: 20:29

But that is something that we did talk about right before we started recording. There was a moment in this episode that I watched and I went this is where it starts for Bailey, and we just didn't notice it. Yes, because, as you said earlier, today is a huge day for Bailey. She starts her day in just the worst way to start a day, and that is in a passive, aggressive, silent treatment relationship, household.

Speaker 2: 21:07

I just these two have are not communicating. It's awful. They had that big fight last week because Tucker was waiting for Bailey waiting so they could have a chat over lunch and Bailey just couldn't get out of surgery and kept sending George with these messages to Tucker to wait for her, to wait for her because she was saving her life, and Tucker ends up not waiting and leaving and they haven't had this conversation yet. They're just skirting around it in the most tense yuck.

Speaker 1: 21:42

And all he really says to her. He starts talking to her as she's about to leave the house, which bugged me, but he finishes it with are you interested in being part of this family?

Speaker 2: 21:54

And it's just. Yeah, it bugs me as well because it's very she is walking out the door and they've had this whole morning Like they've been talking about a plumber and they've been trying to do laundry, like they kind of was time to bring this up. But I guess it helps, his argument being, like you always have to, some things just come out. When they come out, you know you're always leaving.

Speaker 1: 22:16

Yeah, you're always walking out the door, but by the time she gets to the hospital, tucker's calling her, asking where this slip of paper is, and it's like you know it's going to be right there. She said it's on the desk. You know it's, it's right on the desk. Oh, I can't find this thing. Did you look in the drawer where that thing lives? Yes, you open the drawer, it's right there. After the first phone call, she just starts ignoring these calls until she's rushing on her way to the ER. She can't handle him calling anymore. It's been interrupting patients, interrupting conversations with other doctors. She finally decides to answer and she says, Tucker, I can't call them on my way to the ER. And he says well, that's me, that's paged you. And we open up the door to the ER and we see Tucker and Tucker Jr Coming in. Little baby Tucker is strapped to this gurney because a bookcase has landed on him.

Speaker 1: 23:12

Terrifying, that's terrifying.

Speaker 2: 23:15

It's also confusing to me, because there's no, and I don't want to say this. This is the reason I want to say this. But like, is it weird that there's no blood? Like he looks fine, he's just crying. Is that a morbid thing to say?

Speaker 1: 23:29

Blunt force traumas aren't terribly. A bookcase fell on him.

Speaker 2: 23:35

Where's the bruises? Where's the scratches? Not even a scratch.

Speaker 1: 23:40

That's why it's called a blunt force trauma. I get that it's bad. Blunt force traumas don't have visible outsides often, which is why they're so dangerous, because you don't know what's going on. There's no visible signs. Bailey's so frantic that I think that she forgets that Tucker is a novice and doesn't know what's going on because he's asking questions and she kind of just screams at him. Tucker, we don't have time for your questions before the babies wheel the way.

Speaker 2: 24:16

I mean, I don't think it's that he's a novice, he's just. He's just a family member of a patient in this moment he's doing exactly what they're all novices.

Speaker 1: 24:26

What do you mean? What I mean is Bailey knows exactly what's going on because Bailey's a doctor and she knows what happens in these cases. We see it this whole episode, when we see his scans go up, Bailey sees them and says this is what's happening. Here is the reality of the situation. But poor Tucker is not a doctor, he is a novice.

Speaker 2: 24:44

He doesn't know what's happening.

Speaker 1: 24:46

They're saying all this technical jargon. There are dozens of doctors in this room and no one's actually explaining to Tucker what is happening to him, what is happening to the child, totally.

Speaker 2: 24:54

This is, I think, bailey is. Bailey is treating him like her husband. She's not treating him like a family member of a patient, which is the problem. Yeah, she is still talking to him and snipping at him and getting frustrated at him like she has been in their relationship, and it's not helping because, unfortunately, unprofessional manner in which she has started this case is going to continue, because she shouldn't be on this case at all. No, if we've learned anything watching this show, family members cannot operate on family members or anyone that they're a little bit connected to, because that's where all of the biggest problems of this whole show come from and Christina seems to be the only one who is taking that on board because our little baby boy gets sent for an MRI or a CT scan.

Speaker 1: 25:58

All of our girls in the scan room Meredith and Izzy are freaking out a bit and Christina turns around and says it is a trauma case. It is not Bailey's baby, it is a blunt force trauma. Meanwhile Bailey and Tucker are squabbling over who's fault this is. Tucker is trying to bring Bailey for leaving the door open and that's fucking gotta plague her so much.

Speaker 2: 26:29

Quickly. Let's go back to Christina, because I think it's really important that Christina says this in this moment, After last week's episode, where it's been a bit of this Christina versus Izzy whose way of working with patients is the best, Even though what we are kind of coming to understand as audience members it's two different games that they're playing. You can't that's apples and oranges. You can't actually compare these two. I think it's a case by case basis and today, because of how personal this is to everybody at the hospital, I mean, not only it's Bailey's baby, but this baby was born in the hospital On a very hectic day and everyone was kind of involved in this birth and everyone is kind of involved now in Bailey's relationship. It's also named after George, Named after George.

Speaker 2: 27:16

So actually right now, Christina's robotness, as Izzy says. She says if this is the battle of the robots, Christina, you win. Christina's right. It does need to be. The robotness is important in this case Right now, Because you can't see the medicine clearly if you're seeing the patient. That's what makes everything a little bit blurry and I just think it's really important. And also we get this amazing bit of dialogue with episode I just said, Izzy saying in the battle of the robots, Christina, you win because Izzy has decided to stop vying for a cardio position. She doesn't want to be taught by Han anymore. She's decided that she's not kick ass enough, she's not hardcore enough to go up against Christina in the cardio world, and I think that's a direct result of Han asking her whether or not she wants to be a surgeon or a social worker.

Speaker 2: 28:10

Yeah, Izzy's having a huge crisis of I was going to say crisis of faith Maybe that's actually the perfect word for this episode but she's having a bit of a where does she belong? Yeah, when does she belong? Moment, and quickly, because this is what is I was trying to get at my favorite mind. This episode is Christina sweeping back Izzy making the robot come in.

Speaker 1: 28:35

And she goes and pretends to be a robot, a terrible robot in person. That's really cute she does. Yeah, there's so much dialogue that I wrote down from this episode, like Tucker and Bailey's conversation, where Tucker's basically blaming her and saying that this is her fault for not being home and for leaving a baby gate open, whereas Bailey saying it's Tucker's fault for not having screwed down the cabinet, where, at the end of the day, it's no one's fault, it's an accident. Bailey says to Tucker you messed up. You picked a bad wife, she made a bad mother, she made you stay at home to raise your son and she almost killed him. Can you imagine that thought going through your head? As a parent? I step on my cat's foot and I have a panic attack. This is horrendous.

Speaker 2: 29:22

Yeah, it's a really. It's a really hard thing for Bailey to be thinking, but it's also quite an awful thing to say to your partner. I think her saying that to Tucker is a bit unfair. I think it goes back to this thing that you were saying about everyone's making these assumptions. Bailey says this to Tucker in this way. That's like this is everything you think about me. You think I'm this horrible person. Well, because Tucker has said like the only reason why he would have gone into that room is to look for you. He went in there looking for his mama and he ended up in the hospital, which I mean like rough, I mean he found her?

Speaker 1: 30:08

He did, but also awful. Do you think that Bailey doesn't feel guilty that her job is keeping her away from home? She is aware she knows, but like heightened set of circumstances and I think Bailey's awareness of what's going on with her son is significantly more heightened than her husband's because we have the scene where the in the scan room and the tests have come back and all of our interns are trying to interns residents, sort of guessing here and there about what exactly the scan is showing, and Bailey comes in and says that his son stomach is in his chest. He has a ruptured diaphragm. Basically all of his abdominal organs have been pushed into his chest and his colon could have ruptured to the point where there's fecal matter all throughout his abdomen.

Speaker 2: 31:01

I hate it, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it.

Speaker 1: 31:04

But the point is is that Bailey, our highly trained general surgeon, is looking at this scan and she immediately knows everything that could possibly be going wrong and all of the different ways that her son could die. And Tucker just knows is hurt. But like? Can you imagine being in Bailey's position here and knowing what the stats are? No, absolutely not.

Speaker 1: 31:34

Bailey can't take it. She needs to be in that operating room. She, she needs to know what's going on, because the updates from our residents just aren't enough. She needs to know more. She has this deep seated desire to be in control of everything and know exactly what is happening. When she bursts in, harm says do you want me to stand here and talk to you or do you want me to save his life? And going back to Christina having that conversation about being a robot with Izzy, the only way that Bailey can be convinced to leave this room is by Christina saying I'll hold his hand instead of being part of this surgical procedure which she might not ever see, ever again, operating on an infant who's abdominal, everything's in his chest cavity.

Speaker 2: 32:22

It's huge surgery, but no this is a huge moment for Christina. She hands over the surgical instrument to Lexi. Like she gives up holding the I want to say protractor, but I feel like that's a max thing Retractor, retractor.

Speaker 2: 32:42

Suction. I don't know. She gives up holding a thing to hold Tuck of Hand for Bailey. That is like huge growth, christina. Huge growth. That's like accepting that what Izzy does for patients is just as important as what Christina does. And Christina we've already heard her talk about well, maybe it wasn't Christina actually the faith in this episode. Someone's already said they believe in medicine. That's their faith. Their faith is medicine. I'm pretty sure it's Christina.

Speaker 1: 33:18

Yeah, that sounds like a Christina thing to say. And she doesn't say no once, she says no twice. Because at the end of the surgery they get to sort of the crucial part and Han asks if Christina would like to do that part and she says no, I'm okay here, and she's just patting Tuck of Hand.

Speaker 2: 33:35

Massive. This is a massive.

Speaker 1: 33:39

The bit that I really wanted to get to was Derek finding Bailey in this room head in her hands, going over every single thing that she did that day. I don't know if it's us as a society, where we're a lot more aware of people's mental health and neurodivergence and warning signs that people are in trouble, or if it's the fact that we've seen Grey's Anatomy enough time to know what's coming in the next couple of seasons, but I watched this and was like, oh my God this could be a number of different mental health things.

Speaker 2: 34:20

It could also just be heightened stress, but I do I do agree with you. I think this is a bit of an Easter egg for what's to come, or it's, you know, very good character development, that this is the start of a turning point in something that we get to understand about Bailey, like we really see it firsthand here, and I think it's also it's also really interesting that it's Derek that's the person that is with her in this moment. Bailey and Derek have been having some really, really good scenes together, like Bailey's ability to be vulnerable in front of Derek is really surprising, because this isn't the first time this has happened and it's just an interesting choice that it's that it's Derek that she is able to be vulnerable with Bailey seems like Derek's only platonic female friend.

Speaker 1: 35:12

He doesn't have any other sort of female friendship.

Speaker 2: 35:15

No no, no, he doesn't Not in this close now. I mean, you know he hangs out at Meredith House with Christina and stuff. But yeah, you're right, this is a friend, this is a real this is a friendship.

Speaker 1: 35:26

I don't think he's friends with Christina. All they ever do is talk about Meredith.

Speaker 2: 35:31

Totally, and I guess like they were talking about Burke and she was with Burke a little bit, but this is different. This is like a mutual respect thing, it's, it's. It's bandcamp, honor Bandcamp. Once in bandcamp, always in bandcamp. We both went to bandcamp. If you wear that uniform, you are, you know, solidarity for life.

Speaker 1: 35:55

I completely forgot. We forgot to mention our actual patient today, the only other patient, elizabeth Archer, who is Dr Hans patient and she has something wrong with her heart. Everyone's expecting her to have a heart attack and die by this afternoon, not even the end of the day. But Elizabeth is a healer, something along the lines of Reiki, but she lays hands and people get better. Yeah, this is where we find out today that Izzy has said no, I'm done with cardio. Christina considers this her chance to get back on it, but is quickly dismissed again by Han. She's taking Alex instead because, for all of Christina's preparation, she's lost her patient. She's off down the corridor curing someone's teponade. Well, teponade, that's what you make out of olives, I don't know. His heart's beating really rapidly and she makes it calm down. She does?

Speaker 2: 37:00

Yeah, she does. She is a healer who uses visualization method. It's hard to talk about because it's new. It's just new information. It's not Western medicine. Yeah, it's really cool, though I'm into it.

Speaker 1: 37:25

I have a really good osteo and I think she does a bit of this to me.

Speaker 2: 37:31

I've been looking into Reiki a lot. I know this isn't Reiki, but I reckon there's similarities. Like you said, I would love to go see a Reiki healer as I book my tarot. I book a tarot reading session.

Speaker 1: 37:44

Are hospital staff non-believers?

Speaker 2: 37:47

Yes, because they believe in medicine and that makes a lot of sense. They need to see it. It needs to be practical. They need to understand the process and the methods. They believe in medicine. This is uncomprehensible to them because it's not physical, it's not tangible, it doesn't have a beginning, a middle and an end that they can see or touch with their hands.

Speaker 1: 38:22

There's no science behind it, it's just working because she's found in another patient's room helping out with his cardio issue. Whether it tells Bailey not to let her touch another patient, they're liable. She's found again by Mark treating another patient's staff infection and it works really well. But harm's bedside manner needs to be checked. Don't get me wrong. I loved it when the first thing she did was walk into the hospital and tell Mark off, because that's what he deserves. He always deserves to be told off. But today she's just dismissing this patient because they've got some time and all this patient is asking for is that before we do the surgery, I would like to exhaust every non-surgical option that is available to me. That's fair. A few seasons ago we had a girl who didn't want a pig's heart and they got a bovine heart. We have workarounds. All this patient is asking for is to be explained the procedure and they've done that for other patients which one is legally required.

Speaker 2: 39:37

Yes, and they've done this for other patients before this season. I think they had the little boy who was scared of surgery so they needed to talk him through and then he had to watch another surgery. I think the fact that she's behind is purely dismissing this woman because of her faith and her belief, whereas, like if this wasn't a faith-based request, she would just do it. It's annoying that's what I mean, and I don't think it's fair. I think it's really yuck.

Speaker 1: 40:06

Yeah, and she says in front of the patient as she's walking away, call me when she codes Like if you think that her condition is that bad and the only thing that is stopping you from like performing surgery on her taking 15 minutes to explain the surgery, I'm sorry. Where is your duty of care?

Speaker 2: 40:27

This is another moment, I think, where we are learning and reflecting on this idea of bedside manner or the easy method, and the. Christina method, because Izzy has also said this episode. Like to Christina, you and Hannah, perfect for each other. You're the same. They both just have a lot to learn from each other. The perfect doctor is going to be somewhere in between this mix of Izzy and Christina. Both of their methods are important.

Speaker 1: 40:58

Having the bedside manner to be able to make your patients comfortable and be understood, but also being able to separate it enough that you don't get as emotionally invested makes sense. Alex is also sort of sitting on that same fence of like. This is all mystical. Fui, I don't give a shit.

Speaker 2: 41:18

Alex is a funny one though, because Alex is it's not real. Alex's fake, fake mean the fake. I don't care the fake, I have no feelings. It's all just a front, and it's been crumbling away bit by bit.

Speaker 1: 41:33

But it's not until these ladies pull him up on that and she just tells him exactly what he's feeling, this woman who doesn't know him at all, that he goes. Oh okay, you can see the fear of God in that man's face when he walks into the room and she says how did she know you were there? She heard me coming. No, she could sense you. She could sense that your throat chakra is blocked and that's because you're not the angel of death, you're a very sweet boy. You have a darkness in your throat and that's because you've been hurt for so long that you can't talk about it. It hurts so badly.

Speaker 1: 42:17

And she saw straight through him.

Speaker 2: 42:19

Yeah, she says, you're a sweet boy, but you're not a good man.

Speaker 2: 42:23

And then Alex says well, it may not be a good man, but I tell the truth, and the truth is you are going to die if you don't have this surgery. God, I love Alex. I love the complexity of Alex. I love even this take that these women have that, like you, it's what we've been saying this whole time. He's great, there's such a decent human in there. He's hiding and they're just saying you're hiding because of this hurt that you have, that you won't talk about, which makes you sometimes feel like you need to hurt other people just to spread it around. It's stuck, and I think the fact that it's stuck up here in his throat they say like in his throat chakra, so it's like stuck in a very surface level place. It's not like this darkness is so deep that it's never going to leak. It can leak, it can leak, it can leak, but it's not like that. It's like I'm not going to do the work.

Speaker 1: 43:17

And then we get good Alex all the time. I love Alex so much. I think we do see a glimpse of good Alex this episode when he's talking to Izzy about why she's giving up on cardio. It's like you really liked it. Why are you getting rid of it? What's your deal? And Jesus, I'm crippled with anxiety. I'm jealous. Christina isn't better than me.

Speaker 1: 43:37

I just really idolized her drive and the fact that she knows what she wants and she has unwavering faith in who she is and what she wants to achieve. And we've seen for a bunch of episodes now, especially in cardio, izzy constantly questioning herself and not believing that she's good enough to do it. Alex sees in her that she is and that she has this incredibly capable skill set and is able to do things that he isn't able to and the other doctors aren't able to. So he actually brings her in to speak to Elizabeth Archer because she knows how to do the procedure. She's seen it happen a couple of times now. She's really fucking good at cardio and she's really good at talking to patients and calming them, and I loved Elizabeth through this entire episode. It's similar to what we were saying about Rose last week. She doesn't get angry, she doesn't apologize. She doesn't apologize, she just explains what it is she's doing. She doesn't see anything as a personal attack and our doctors are really calling her deluded and stupid.

Speaker 2: 44:47

And she is like you don't have to believe what I'm saying. She has the conviction and the confidence to not need other's approval and to not need other people to like her, because she can just stand in herself, grounded in what she believes in, and is unaffected by their judgment. And that's amazing, that's great.

Speaker 1: 45:07

Yeah, I like her. We see a little bit of that as well from Han this week because the negging from Mark. He says to her what is this? Some sort of gender reversal where you're the strong, confident doctor and I'm the hot, young, blonde, gross mark?

Speaker 2: 45:23

Yes, yes, mark, it is no, but that's, oh wait, not the hot, young, blonde part. I can't tell you the bit of it that. Han is the strong, confident doctor and Mark is the one chasing her around trying to get her attention.

Speaker 1: 45:36

And Han just says you are a crass and predatory ape of a man who happens to be a surgeon. Exactly the same as what she said last week. She was like if you were homely you would be fired by now.

Speaker 2: 45:49

Yeah, it's gross. She's constantly just like go away, like I have no interest in you. I see right through you, I see what you're doing and it's not my vibe. No, and he doesn't know how to handle it because he's never been rejected and it's driving him crazy. Yeah, it's driving him bananas.

Speaker 1: 46:08

Elizabeth doesn't have a heart attack. It is the end of the day. It is the very end of the day and she's still alive. She hasn't coded. She's been on Bailey's mind all day because Bailey's watched her fix a man who, by all medical reasons, should not be awake and thriving. A staff infection, which are notoriously difficult to get rid of, has abated, she herself not dead. So Bailey puts her faith in a higher power.

Speaker 2: 46:37

Well, bailey, yeah, she rightly says that the energy between Tuck and Bailey is pretty toxic. She doesn't like it, or it's pretty, it's not very healing. So they hold hands and they have a moment sitting with Tuck, try to forgive each other. Yeah, which is sweet, it's really sweet, and it works.

Speaker 1: 46:57

The next time we see Tucker he's choking on his intubation tube because he can breathe by himself.

Speaker 2: 47:03

Which is an incredible sign. It's the perfect sign. That's exactly what they want. But it's such an important moment for Bailey and where she is with her relationship with Tucker, big Tucker because they're just not not communicating, even though they can forgive each other in this moment they're focusing everything on their child. They haven't even navigated this process of little Tucker being sick and this process of being scared to little Tucker's life. They haven't even communicated and navigated this together. They've done it completely separately, in their own little bubbles of stress, and Bailey hasn't let Tucker into this process or into what's going on. I think, like how separate they are at the hospital today and the way that they're dealing with their child is really telling of where they're in their relationship and that's really sad. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 48:01

So the one thing we haven't really talked about this episode is Derek and Meredith and Rose and Rose and Rose. So at the very start of this episode we did mention briefly that we're seeing. We've seen. We've seen Derek show Mark his property and his plans for a dream house, which then, over breakfast of eggs and whatever cheese is in the fridge. Derek explains to Meredith that he's had plans drawn up for their home, to which she says she's not quite ready for that. There's a lot of steps in between where they are now and then building their dream house, and there's going to be sexy steps and hard steps and steps that they will fall down, unwillingly Fall down, not fall down, fall down together, I don't know. Try to get back up. It's just a very clunky, silly metaphor that I didn't like. I didn't either. That's why I brought it up. When she says sexy steps, it made me feel really uncomfortable, have you?

Speaker 1: 49:13

never had sex on stairs.

Speaker 2: 49:16

No, oh. Okay, I know Meredith and Derek have, but I don't think that's what she means by sexy steps. I don't think that's what she means. Anyway, whatever, I didn't like it.

Speaker 1: 49:29

Didn't like it After Meredith saying like I don't want you to see other people, he's just taken that and run. He's like cool, we are back on. We are going in right from where we left off. I am in a committed, full-time relationship with this person and because they've said that they want to be exclusive, they want to marry me, move in together, have lots of sex and babies. Cool, Derek, I love that. You are just jumping flights, flights of stairs. That's great. So when he speaks to Rose, they have a very adult conversation. It was a good kiss, I enjoyed it, but I'm seeing Meredith and unfortunately, plans have changed.

Speaker 2: 50:06

Sorry, and that is the conversation that George over here and then goes and puts his foot in it with Meredith Because, george, again you mentioned the assumptions. George is assuming that Meredith already knows about Rose, yeah, which I'm like. When, how, what? This happened like a day ago, like this was yesterday, yeah, and you would know, yeah, oh, that's such a good point. Definitely know, definitely know, like Meredith would have been talking about it for the last 24 hours, right, yeah, derek would not have been there for omelets this morning.

Speaker 1: 50:44

Well, when she came home last episode and was like I need to drink, I couldn't actually I've been thinking about it and I wasn't sure why. She was like upset drunk. What had gone badly in her day? It seems like everything had gone pretty well in her day.

Speaker 2: 50:58

Ayla, she was, she was. No, it's because she watched a man die in an ambulance that was upside down and she handed the death of her husband to the wife who works in the hospital.

Speaker 1: 51:10

I was thinking more of her personal life but, like also Derek, that's a very valid point. Maybe take into consideration that may is going to need some time because she has a habit of making terrible relationship decisions when she's had a big day, and she had a big day yesterday. She had a huge day. But instead of saying to Derek, hey, george told me something about the scrub nurse, rose, can you tell me what's going on there? She just comes straight up to me, says who's Rose, and it's like, and he calls her up and says you know who Rose is? I'm assuming you've heard and I just I don't. This is Ross and Rachel. We were on a break.

Speaker 2: 51:53

Yeah, that's exactly what happens next. So Derek says we weren't together and Meredith says that's not the point, and I'm actually, unfortunately just for this moment, on Derek's side.

Speaker 1: 52:05

So am I. She literally just said to her is like I'm going to date other people. And Rose had that beautiful line on the episode that you did where she said that you know, my previous partner didn't know what they wanted. Meredith just says to him you don't want to life with me? Yeah, you want someone. You want someone who wants the same thing as you. And I'm like, yes, that is what a relationship is.

Speaker 2: 52:34

Well, yeah, sometimes that's what it is. I don't think it's always what it is, but but. But Derek also made that.

Speaker 1: 52:41

No, I think that you need to have those like fundamental things Like do you think that adults can sustain a long-term relationship where one person really wants children and another person doesn't know exactly? So, yes, you, you want someone who wants the same things as you. Yes, of course he fucking does.

Speaker 2: 53:01

And also he had. He had said that to Meredith, like he'd made that very clear. He said I want this, I'm ready for a commitment, I'm ready for a house and the family, like that's what I want, and you don't want that and you're unsure about it. So I don't think we should be together Exactly Like that. That conversation happened.

Speaker 1: 53:22

We're not, Meredith is like. So her coming back and saying I want to be exclusive with you is basically going cool, green light, All the things. Yeah, If you weren't ready for those things, maybe say to him like, hey, I do want to see us doing that, but not. This is the problem. Yeah, but not any of this. And he just says, like I can't do the back and forth, Like again, I'm on Derek's side. She said yes and then she said no.

Speaker 1: 53:47

And I just saying yes, no saying no, and Meredith says I can't, I'm not ready because I can't trust you, Also, again not making sense. And then just the truth bomb from Derek you can't trust anybody and no matter what I do, you will find reasons not to trust me.

Speaker 2: 54:08

Unfortunately, Derek is a lot more switched on and knows what's going on in this conversation than he kind of has for the last three seasons.

Speaker 1: 54:17

Yeah, I'm not excusing any of his previous behavior. No, not at all. But it's like, oh, he's making sense now. Yeah, like I can understand now why you're so confused. But going immediately to Rose and saying and asking you're out to dinner, no, no, rose does not deserve to be a consolation prize.

Speaker 2: 54:45

No, she definitely doesn't, definitely doesn't. She kind of knows she is, though that's also the confusing thing. We talked about this with Rose last week. He was so mean to her.

Speaker 1: 54:57

Why are you dating a guy who's been nagging you all through a surgery?

Speaker 2: 55:01

Yeah, and then also like who said, no, I can't because I'm dating Meredith. And then at the end of the day he says, oh, actually don't worry about it, let's go have dinner. Rose actually knows what's going on in this hospital. She says, like everybody knows about you and Meredith Grace. And Rose has switched on because Meredith and Derek are the prom king and queen of the hospital On and off again and everybody at the school knows the relationship status of the prom king and queen.

Speaker 1: 55:32

Yep, it's kind of like. At the end of this episode as well, mark asks Han to go for a drink and she says to him you're too pretty and if we didn't work together I mean we could look maybe, but we do work together and in order to do my job I need to leave who I am outside of this hospital, which I love. That little Easter egg of like what's to come, what are we going to learn about? Totally, but she's setting responsible boundaries, whereas Rose is just like okay, pretty doctor who treats me like shit and is hot and cold, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 56:08

I'd love to so hard because because, oh, rose is so like Rose could be, rose could be so perfect, but she's an imperfect person. So I'm not going to. You know it's going to leave it there, but it's annoying because she sees her value and she sees like that kiss just didn't look good enough to worry. Also, they were in scrub caps. There's nothing sexy about a scrub cap.

Speaker 1: 56:41

Just, you're right, she sees her value and that's that's the problem that I'm having with this character. That's what's infuriating, Because if Han was to suddenly turn around and change her mind about Mark, you'd be like you fucking watch no.

Speaker 2: 56:55

Unless, unless Mark did something to 360 and change his behavior and step up, and maybe he, you know, unless he proved himself. But there it doesn't prove anything. There hasn't changed, no.

Speaker 1: 57:08

If anything he's. He's proved time and time and again, but he is less worthy of her respect. He is exactly the guy that she thought he was when she laughed at the comment about it not being clicky. Yeah, time and time again, I just, I'm, I'm just mad about it. I'm glad that Callie has a friend, though, if not two friends.

Speaker 2: 57:31

Yeah, it's really nice. She really deserves it, especially now she's going through so much like this. This is what she needs. She needs to be out drinking with friends at a pub after work. Very healing, very important connection. And that is where we leave you today, fingers crossed.

Speaker 1: 57:50

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Speaker 1: 59:03

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