S4E12 Where the Wild Things Are

Ever wonder what the world of Grey's Anatomy would look like through the lens of animal behavior? This week the hospital is a zoo. From their primal pack-like tendencies to the territorial disputes, and even a bear attack, we're unearthing the constant reminders of our inherent animal instincts.

The competition is heating up and our residents don't even know at they are fighting for. Izzie takes it too far at the expense of a patient's health and wallet.  Alex proves to us he is not the underdog. Christina exposes her soft white underbelly to Hahn and Mere shows us what separates us from the animals. Therapy.

Derek and Mark again prove to us they are nothing more than snakes as we find out more about his relationship with Rose.  Lexi is nesting and George is.... complaining.

Lots of love,

Tamzen and Ayla
xxx

Greys Anatomy Credits
Created by Shonda Rhimes
Starring :
Ellen Pompeo - Meredith Grey
Sandra Oh - Christina Yang
T. R. Knight - George O'Malley
Justin Chambers - Alex Karev
Katherine Heigl - Izzie Stevens
Chandra Wilson - Miranda Bailey
James Pickens Jr - Richard Webber
Patrick Dempsy - Derek ( McDreamy ) Shepard
Kate Walsh - Addison Shepard
Chyler Leigh  - Lexi Grey
Sara Ramirez - Callie Torres 
Mark Sloan - Eric Dane

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

So you blew me off for a bottle of tequila. Tequila's. No, good for you. It's called, that's right. It's not nearly as much fun to win.

Speaker 2: 0:09

Hi everyone, welcome to Scappals and Tequila, a Grey's Anatomy Recap podcast. I'm Ayla.

Speaker 1: 0:13

And I'm Tansyn, and today we're doing season 4, episode 12, where the wild things are.

Speaker 2: 0:21

Did you know that was a song, but also was that book a big deal in your childhood.

Speaker 1: 0:27

Oh yeah, it was a massive deal. It was one of my absolute favourite books and when the movie came out, I just loved it. I loved it. It's so stunning and it was filmed here.

Speaker 2: 0:39

So am I the only millennial that missed out on where?

Speaker 1: 0:43

the wild things are. Oh, you didn't have it.

Speaker 2: 0:46

No, yeah, maybe Possum Magic is my big childhood book.

Speaker 1: 0:55

I mean, yeah, that was a goodie too.

Speaker 2: 0:59

I also really liked the far away tree.

Speaker 1: 1:03

Oh yeah, that was amazing. I loved that too. The far away tree in the wishing chair.

Speaker 2: 1:11

But I feel like this episode specifically shouldn't be where the wild things are, but like wild thing.

Speaker 1: 1:20

Oh, that's a way better.

Speaker 2: 1:21

Title for this. I think it's a song Agreed yeah yeah yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1: 1:27

Not fitting for the episode. This whole episode is about animals, this whole episode, and it's full of like so many people making references to our doctor's behaviour being animalistic or they are, you know, saying that they're like this animal or that animal, like there's just so many animal references throughout this entire episode and they're like. They're in a zoo. See, exactly like that, because they're in a zoo. We're in a zoo.

Speaker 2: 1:57

I'll start with the monologue, but I think this week the monologue was pretty crystal clear.

Speaker 1: 2:03

Oh yeah, it's not hiding anything. Here it goes. We like to think that we are rational beings, humane, conscientious, civilised, thoughtful, but when things fall apart, even just a little, it becomes clear we are no better than animals. We have opposable thumbs, we think, we walk, erect, we speak, we dream, but deep down we are still rooting around in the primordial ooze, biting, clawing, scratching out in existence in the cold, dark world. Like the rest of the tree, toads and sloths, there's a little animal in all of us. Maybe that's something to celebrate. Our animal instinct is what makes us seek comfort, warmth, a pack to run with. We may feel caged, we may feel trapped, but still, as humans, we can find ways to feel free. We are each other's keepers, we are the guardians of our own humanity and even though there is a beast inside all of us, what sets us apart from the animals is that we can think, feel, dream and love. And against all odds, against all instincts, we evolve.

Speaker 2: 3:05

Toilet paper is what sets us apart from the animals.

Speaker 1: 3:10

I also think well, the animals evolve too. But I get what she's saying. I don't mind this as a monologue. I think it's like a little bit on the nose, but I don't mind it. They are very heavy handed on the animals. I feel I don't know Animals evolve and adapt.

Speaker 2: 3:29

Humans adapt our surroundings. We are de-evolving because of modern medicine and stuff. Yeah, a certain disease, stuff would be eradicated. I'm wearing glasses, you have laser eye surgery. Back in the year, old days, we would have just been left.

Speaker 1: 3:51

Well, yeah, and also things like we're building faster cars and faster rail systems and machines to dig for us, and all that sort of stuff. We're definitely de-evolving.

Speaker 2: 4:04

And this week everyone's sleeping in the hospital. They're all smelly little chimpanzees flinging poo and competing for a magical, whimsical sparkle pager.

Speaker 1: 4:19

I love the sparkle pager. Bring on the sparkle pager. I think this contest, like you know, if it was happening in real life, I think we'd have some issues with it. It's pretty hectic, but also a little competition. It's not always a bad thing.

Speaker 2: 4:33

It's not a bad thing. And watching our three girls like power walk through the hospital talking smack yeah, it gives us great things. Yeah, like Christina just hip bumping, is he into a wall?

Speaker 1: 4:51

So good, it's so funny. So we also get what. We figure out that they've been all sleeping in the hospital because they wake up in the hospital and then we see Meredith in therapy and we kind of get a little bit of a timeline. She says that it's been five weeks Now. We don't know exactly what it's been five weeks since, but I think because it's pretty clear that this episode, when it would have come out, is before the midseason break, I mean after the midseason break. So I think it's been a love that we can pick them now. Oh yeah, I think it's been. I think they're making a timeline of it's been five weeks since the last episode. So I reckon there's been five weeks of Derek seeing Rose.

Speaker 2: 5:42

There's been five weeks of Bailey and Tucker potentially being split up.

Speaker 1: 5:46

Yeah, totally, and there's been five weeks since Derek showed Meredith the hand the hand the house and five weeks since the crap apartment which we also meet at the start of this episode. It's so horrific. It looks like a discarded underground bunker. Why is it so awful? Like I know, we have a housing crisis, so maybe this is just totally relevant to the times that we're living in, have you?

Speaker 2: 6:11

not been following Purple Pingers talking about the shit rentals of Melbourne. Did we not spend last night in bed together looking at houses to maybe buy? And then I looked at a rental where the bathroom was covered in mold. Like that apartment exists and people are living in it, but this is next level. This is so horrific. This is absolutely next level. This is a. This is a drug den. Someone died in here and their body fested and covered the walls.

Speaker 1: 6:41

Yes, this is so, so horrific, Like there's absolutely no way that they would live. And then it makes me think again it's like they just don't get paid for this job that they all do. Why did none of them get paid? That's a whole other conversation. Again, that's relevant to us now. So, anyway, it's all awful.

Speaker 2: 7:03

It's. It's Tamsen's favourite. We we had an episode full of the Plinky Plunky music and that's all I can call it now Plinky Plunky, because all day we're following Lexie just seaving things, picking up pisspans and being like fruit. It's great.

Speaker 1: 7:23

Her little like plasma, ingenious way of seeing these objects and seeing how they could transform the crap apartment. I I good honour, you know. Go for it, lexie.

Speaker 2: 7:35

And George, by the end of this episode, finally saying, having that like light bulb moment and going I complain a lot and you're like, yes, yes, George, yes you do. I'm sorry that you don't have a super rich wife who's willing to pay your way in a penthouse apartment anymore. You kind of shit in your bed and now you have to eat it too.

Speaker 1: 7:59

So I think we need to get on to our patience of the day.

Speaker 2: 8:03

So all of our residents I did not call them interns, but I brought up anywhere and ruined everything are competing today in a points competition and they don't know what the prize is, but they know they want to win. We know our residents, they're in it to win it. So every procedure they perform is allocated a certain amount of points. So we start off the day with everyone running, running to the ER and they're trolling for traumas.

Speaker 1: 8:33

The first trauma that we get, the one of the ambulances flings into the bay and the first trauma we get looks like a sprained ankle and no one really wants it. Kristina kind of palms it off, except Izzy. Izzy does not see sprained ankle man. Izzy sees medical mystery. Izzy sees 80 points and she grabs this guy.

Speaker 2: 8:56

Izzy is turning pee pads into placemats.

Speaker 1: 9:01

She is, yeah, she's hearing hoof beats and thinking zebras.

Speaker 2: 9:07

But I think she's just following Kristina's advice, because last episode she said to Alex that she just wants to have the fire and the drive and the knowing. What she wants, like Kristina does and even Kristina says this episode when they're talking about her being in the lead is that you need to take charge of your own destiny and make things happen, and Izzy is really trying to focus on the positive and really trying to get the win for herself and she doesn't seem to care whether or not that's going to put her patient in harm.

Speaker 1: 9:40

I mean, she's definitely making things happen. She's making lots of tests happen. This is uncomfortable to watch. Yeah, it is. How did you feel about this whole situation? I mean, Izzy basically puts this man through all of these unnecessary procedures this whole time. With Izzy's storyline is her saying things like you're lucky, you just came into the hospital thinking it was a sprained ankle, but you know, we're testing you for all this stuff and you're going to have a healthier life. Because she's asking him you know, have you been out of the country? Have you been feeling drowsy? Have you been feeling this, that or the other? Because she's convinced that there's something else that matter with this guy and she's not going to stop until she finds it. And he's racking up quite the bill.

Speaker 2: 10:37

He's also just going through some really emotional shit too. I felt awful and I didn't like that. This storyline had the plinky plunkies with it. I don't think it should have been funny. Other doctors came and checked on her and at the end of the day, I am putting the responsibility on Bailey and Weber. Someone should have put a stop to this. I know that she made a real good speech at Bailey, but look at the chart, bailey. Are you seeing horses or are you seeing zebras? And when I got to the lumbar puncture like mm-mm. I tell you you've had a spinal tap. You don't know, but that shit's not okay.

Speaker 1: 11:19

I just this guy is talking about how you know, like his ex-wife and dying alone, and he's thinking about changing his whole lifestyle because he really believes that he's dying when all he did was sprain his ankle. He's having a horrible, horrible time. I don't know, it's hard.

Speaker 2: 11:41

The PTSD. I don't think he's ever going back to another hospital ever again.

Speaker 2: 11:45

No no way. No, and George, it is the voice of reason, this episode. He says to her are you doing unnecessary procedures to win a contest? And she starts going on about how her instinct and her gut is telling her that this is the right process and then immediately says that all of her instincts have been wrong recently and it's like, maybe, consider you might be wrong about this, totally Like the patient even says you treated me like a rat in a perverted lab. And when the chief comes up to her and says you fucked up today and she's like I was a bad doctor with bad instincts, he says that she did $120,000 worth of tests.

Speaker 1: 12:28

That's so much.

Speaker 2: 12:31

My God. Now I would like to know who gets the bill for this.

Speaker 1: 12:38

I really hope it's not that guy, because that's so unfair. Like you go in and you ask for one thing, You're like I have this sprained ankle and unnecessary testing. Like I guess, yeah, if they found something then it wouldn't have been so unnecessary, but I just don't. I don't know. I don't know what the gray area of that is. It's so complex.

Speaker 2: 13:05

I feel like this is the American medical system.

Speaker 1: 13:09

Just walking away from the hospital, being like. The doctor told me I needed all of these tests, but I'm fine.

Speaker 2: 13:16

I don't feel like this is an isolated incident. I feel like this is something that potentially happens.

Speaker 1: 13:23

And this guy. He just seems like, yeah, everyday guy, like that's going to be a read mortgage on a house situation, like that's so much money yes, it's horrific.

Speaker 2: 13:34

And all Weber has to say at the end of this is don't lick your wounds, Celebrate them. Oh no, honey. I think there are some repercussions that need to happen here and not just a stern talking to you. You've effectively ruined someone's life Totally.

Speaker 1: 13:52

Totally. I'm like what a first do no harm, it's just upsetting. I also, again, because you know I'm the great easy defender, I do kind of want to defend easy. Not don't give me that face, Not that much, but like God, she's lost. She's so lost, she's so confused. She doesn't know what sort of doctor she wants to be. She doesn't know where she fits in anymore and it's like this was her. She's just trying to find her place and she just keeps getting it wrong. It's sad.

Speaker 2: 14:25

Okay, but don't do it at the expense of other people. No, I know, I know, I know that is Izzy's biggest toxicity, that everything she does is at the expense of someone else. True, actually true. Like go sit down with Bailey, sit down with the careers counsellor, sit down with the therapist and have a chat and see what really interests you, build a plan. Like even Meredith is going to the therapist for weeks and not saying anything.

Speaker 1: 14:56

How annoying. We do open on this scene with Meredith and she says she's sitting in therapy and she says I read a study that just sitting in therapy and not talking is still beneficial. I'm like that's so annoying to me for some reason. It's like a weird type of privilege that I can't. Therapy is expensive. Therapy is like a lot. It's so expensive. It's actually really hard to. You know, you have to go to the doctor, get a mental health care plan, find a therapist that works for you, that you connect with, and then you can only have a certain amount of sessions before you have to go back to the doctor Get another mental health care plan. I don't think this is how it works in America, but, like Meredith, just gets to go.

Speaker 2: 15:40

Oh yeah, I'm like that's a privilege of its own, the fact that we get mental health care plans and that our mental health is subsidized.

Speaker 1: 15:50

I mean, yeah, we still pay, but a bit of it. You just pay less. But Meredith just gets to go and sit there in silence. Yeah, no, fuck you lady. It really really bothered me.

Speaker 2: 16:04

And the fact that, like our, in every conversation she has with everyone is about the fact that she's dark and twisty and that she can't figure out relationships and can't do shit right. And then she has the audacity to say I don't have problems, there's nothing wrong with me.

Speaker 1: 16:21

And she says like and even if I did, I wouldn't have anything to do with Derek Shepherd, that's like, but that's all you talk about. That's literally all you talk about. We opened up this episode today where we had our residents, our girls like just talking about Rose. Christina is just like trying to make Meredith feel better and she's saying like I don't even remember. She's just saying like she's awful or something. She's just been talking about Rose Izzy says they've only been on a few dates, so it's not that serious. But you know they're watching Derek arrive at the hospital with Rose. They've been seeing each other. They're definitely dating and Meredith's just still one of them.

Speaker 2: 16:59

Yeah, they're calling her wretched and mean.

Speaker 1: 17:02

Yeah, very mean girls. But yeah, she's neither of those things. Yeah, no, she's not. I actually think they'd really like her. To be honest, yeah, if they got to know her.

Speaker 2: 17:13

I agree, especially that moment today where Rose comes bustling through with this giant bunch of flowers and just verbal diaries all over Lexi, Derek, it's really sweet. But the thing that I like the most about Rose, this episode where Derek and Meredith are having a chat and Rose is in the background. She's at a nurse desk or something. She sees them and she goes okay and continues on with her day.

Speaker 1: 17:36

She's, um, yeah, she's just she's self assured and it's really nice. It's really rare she doesn't have. I mean, you know, everyone has hangouts and anxieties, but they don't manifest in a way that you see, in a way that you see very often. You know, the way she talks about her, like hangouts and little anxieties is she just says them out loud, like when she says like I'm an imperfect person. She accepts them and she acknowledges them. She doesn't let them take over and it's. It's cool, I'm into it. Yeah, I'm super into it.

Speaker 2: 18:10

I wish that was me, but, man, I wish that she could be hearing the shit that Derek's best friend is saying about her, because I would love to see her kick him in the testicles.

Speaker 1: 18:24

Oh yeah, that would be really fun. Yeah, that'd be a fun thing, because Mark is not okay. He's not good this week. Sadly he's not. He's not. Wasn't good last week either, not in top mark form, I know. I just I love Mark, I love him. Wasn't good the week before, oh, he's not good, okay.

Speaker 2: 18:45

Yeah, I love that you are so quick to like switch on Derek, but Mark, you're like no, no, no, he's not a sexist, fucking misogynist at all.

Speaker 1: 18:56

No, but he is and he's written like that and we know that he is like that's. That's the character, whereas Derek was written and shown to be like a hero and like Prince Charming. That's the annoying thing, but Mark has always been Mark. We were never confused. It's not excusable. I know it wasn't shocking.

Speaker 2: 19:20

I think it was seen as charming back then and now it's just repugnant. Yes, I guess so it's. It's it's mid thousands, like I don't think it was ever charming.

Speaker 1: 19:30

It was always a big rose.

Speaker 2: 19:32

But I don't know, pick up culture, those, those guys who thought they were gurus on how to manipulate women into dating them. He was one of those.

Speaker 1: 19:42

No, he's not, he's just a standard every day. Thinks he's alpha dog.

Speaker 2: 19:49

The first thing he says to Derek today is is she a bobcat?

Speaker 1: 19:55

Another animal reference. I'm going to talk about all of the animal references at some point in this episode as well.

Speaker 2: 20:01

And then we get a little bit kind of I don't know, this whole conversation is weird with me. Mark is asking if she's really good in bed and a bit feral, and Derek says she's waiting, she has morals, she's a lady.

Speaker 1: 20:17

I hate that. I hate that because that's some that's so slut-shamey because and it's quite slut-shamey towards Meredith because we know that Derek and Meredith Like had a one night stand and that's how their relationship started and it just really feels like Derek is trying to find reasons to you know like compare Meredith and Rose in his head and the fact that he's like slut-shaming Meredith it's just gross. I hate it.

Speaker 2: 20:51

It's so irrelevant, yeah, and also Derek, it takes two to tango.

Speaker 1: 20:57

Oh yeah, you also fell into bed the first night you met Meredith, but you were actually married and I also don't think, like if Derek had already slept with Rose, I don't, I don't think he would care, like he wouldn't be saying oh, she's not a lady because she's slept with me. He's just trying to justify why he hasn't slept with her yet. No, and I do think it's because he's still in love with Meredith. I don't think it has anything to do with Rose.

Speaker 2: 21:25

No, but Mark's answer to this is to have a little contest of their own. Yeah, because he thinks that Derek just needs to get laid.

Speaker 1: 21:37

So yeah, this is gross. I hate this. I hate this so much.

Speaker 2: 21:40

Yeah, because what's what's the contest? For each woman, you'll get 10 points, two at a time, 20 points and five points if you leave in the morning without saying goodbye.

Speaker 1: 21:53

I don't even know why. That's like what. Why is that it's? Ah God, I hate it so much. I hate it so much.

Speaker 2: 22:06

Yep. And then at the end they give us this terrible full circle moment for Mark. He confesses that he doesn't dislike her because she isn't sleeping with you. That's a weird reason to dislike someone and he just gets kind of sulky and is like I just thought it was going to be you and me for a while. You know two guys on the prowl, animal reference, animal reference. And he just gets sulky about how he just wanted someone to talk to. It's like Mark, maybe you would have more platonic friends if you didn't sexually harass every female that tried to offer you a fucking olive branch.

Speaker 1: 22:45

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 22:45

And then you actually respected men who respected women, because he doesn't seem to have any respect for men who respect women. And so Mark gets into doing that for knife training. That's because he erupts into a fuck. That makes it kinda weird, but it just seems very hilarious.

Speaker 1: 22:57

Mark, it doesn't respect me, Because that's all he wants to talk about. Yeah, okay, fine, yeah, okay, I have to agree, but he changes no.

Speaker 2: 23:16

That is not the here and now, and my question to you is is he going to change enough that it is going to invalidate all of this horrific behavior?

Speaker 1: 23:33

Ah, I guess we have to wait and find out.

Speaker 2: 23:37

Mm-hmm. One of our patients today is actually feeling very similar, to be honest.

Speaker 1: 23:45

Yeah, we have to talk about this. We haven't even started talking about our main patients today Because we have bear attack.

Speaker 2: 23:53

What a time the Robinson family Having a bad time I have not had a good day.

Speaker 1: 24:02

No Bear attack time. Bear attack when our residents are trolling for traumas and Bailey has just about had enough of them, she's about to send them away to be like stop it guys, go and do real work, don't just wait. Here we get a car lying through the ambulance bay, coming to a screeching halt and we have three bloody people tumbling out. And they have been in a bear attack Because guy number one decided he wanted to pat a baby bear. Just because that's what you do. Fun, fun.

Speaker 2: 24:47

Philip Philip's driving the car. His brother, scott, is in the back seat with Philip's wife, whose name I never called. Do you know Philip's wife's name? I know that she has made me uncomfortable in everything I have ever watched her in.

Speaker 1: 25:09

She makes me super uncomfortable in this.

Speaker 2: 25:13

For some reason, multimillionaires are camping and on this camping trip, mr Philip decided to reach out and touch a baby bear and like honestly, Her name's Jennifer Jennifer. Jennifer. But like honestly, if you could, if you were going to get mauled by a bear and it was going to happen, tell me you wouldn't give them a little scratchy, scratchy around the ears.

Speaker 1: 25:41

Yes, so cute they're a little round, a little baby bear too. Oh, little witty to poo, give her the little snuggle.

Speaker 2: 25:51

If not friend, why friend? Shaped, this is the white millennial woman and us being like oh, look at the cute little baby bobcat, she's going to give a little snug.

Speaker 1: 26:01

Little ears. Look at his little, cute little ears. We don't have bears here. Can you tell we don't have bears?

Speaker 2: 26:09

It's that little cat that the internet is getting obsessed with and like I'm really into the one that's like some Mongolian feral cat and it's all pudgy and it's got a little fat tail.

Speaker 1: 26:21

Oh, so cute. Yeah that thing's so cute.

Speaker 2: 26:25

That's how I would die. I would be Mr Philip Robinson in this, but Scott is really copying the shit end of the stick because he isn't the brother that touched the bear, but for some reason mama bear went for him and as he's getting out of the car his intestines proceed him.

Speaker 1: 26:46

Intestine in the hands. Intestine in the hands. Intestine in the hands. Intestine in the hands, intestine in the hands, which is horrific.

Speaker 2: 26:54

I'm sorry he's been he's been invigorated, which is great word, I do not want intestines in the hands, please.

Speaker 1: 27:05

So bears are really scary. Now Bears can hurt you. Don't touch him. We also get this really nice little like I don't know. They're talking about how the mama bear is protecting the baby bear and today in the hospital Bailey has her son Tucker and she makes a few comments about like how of course the mum bear would jump in and protect and I just think there's a really nice little similarity between Bailey always kind of being the one to talk about the mother bear, while she's being a bit of a mother bear herself in the hospital today, especially because physically we have that representation of her son being with her at work. It's just nice. There's lots of little animal references.

Speaker 2: 27:52

She's protecting her little resident cubs from Weber, because he comes in at the start of the day and says to Bailey like what is this about a competition? And she's like nothing, there's nothing to worry about it. And he says I'm running a hospital and not a zoo. Yeah, he's anti them causing trouble because of this. But Weber and Bailey, with the help of Christina and Alex, are looking after Scott and basically there's just too much inflammation and they can't do much. So the Shmiere is insides back in and it's the job of Christina and Alex to sew him back up. Christina has to go and give hourly updates to Han who's in surgery. But Weber is getting so into this counting of the stitches and I really enjoy the little like snappy, witty humor between Bailey and Weber that we get every couple of episodes. And in this one Weber is counting the stitches and like nagging Alex to keep up and, you know, hushing Christina and Bailey's like oh, I thought you didn't want anything in the competition Weber loves the competition.

Speaker 1: 29:07

He loves the contest.

Speaker 2: 29:09

And he says I like to go to the zoo sometimes, but I think this is the first time we really see any sort of. We've seen lots of bonding with Weber and Meredith, a fair amount with Weber and George. Weber and Izzy have had some chats but I don't know that Weber's really had a lot to do with Alex yet True, actually, that's really true.

Speaker 1: 29:36

But this kind of this little moment and Weber getting really invested in this competition and because each stitch is worth a certain amount of points, so they're kind of getting into it about like how many Alex can do, and they get into this really really cute little chat about how Alex doesn't believe he's an underdog because Weber kind of does. Weber actually says to him like you're the underdog, which Alex kind of takes offense to and look, rightly so, I think. And the point Alex makes is really good. He just says I know like I'm more like the brother, I didn't pat the bear, but you know the I just have to work harder to overcome the cut. I got dealt. Yeah, he says, and I think that's really true.

Speaker 2: 30:33

It's like my fighter, but I'm no underdog.

Speaker 1: 30:35

Hmm, he's a fighter. I just really like it. I like that little insight into Alex's brain, because I do think the show has always kind of showed him. As you know, he's scrappy, he is a fighter and maybe he has been. We have seen him as a bit of an underdog every now and again and maybe that's why, you know, he gets so nasty and he puts his little hackles up. But it's not because he's an underdog, it's because he's a fighter and he's just had a harder, he's just had to work harder, and I like that. He sees himself as dumb.

Speaker 2: 31:12

I think between last episode and our healing lady sort of talking about his hurt and how deep it is and then coming full circle to this episode and explaining that that sort of pain isn't a responsibility of himself. He's dealing with outside circumstances that are outside of his control and having to fix things. His whole life has led him to be this sort of character. I don't think we ever found out whether or not Alex or Christina did more stitches on Mr Scott because unfortunately right at the end of this underdog conversation starts going into some sort of distress and he doesn't make it.

Speaker 1: 32:04

It's really sad that he doesn't make it. I yeah, it's. Look, it's not one of the best. He didn't provoke the bear. Well, exactly that's the sad thing about it. He just wrong place, wrong time, wrong company, like it wasn't his fault and he just oh, it's really sad.

Speaker 2: 32:30

And now the question is was it Phillips fault? Phillip is our brother, who who touched the bear cub and his hand is is. You can see through it. It's not in a good way, but he's there with his new wife, jennifer the rebound girl, and I love that all of the women in this room recoil at that nickname.

Speaker 1: 32:55

I do except Meredith really takes it on board and takes it seriously, and I? It's a trick, it's a tricky one. It's a tricky one because because Jennifer has a lot of hangups about the idea that she's not good enough for Phillip. She thinks she's no one, she's just a waitress. And he is. This rich, handsome catch of a man is what she says Look, not my type, but that's neither he nor there.

Speaker 2: 33:24

I think it's a good for 10 days or something. I think that I don't have a problem with any of that. It's the 10 days before they got married. That kind of threw me.

Speaker 1: 33:34

I agree they were together so quick and then they got married and she has been questioning it this whole time. She's never felt good enough. But she's also like, well, of course I'm going to take this opportunity. And she is really struggling and I think, like this quick marriage and this guy that she puts on such a pedestal, it's like it's giving her her own self worth, but also it's shaking her self worth at the same time. It's really complex.

Speaker 2: 34:09

Yeah, because once he's all sort of sorted out, she comes out of the room and Meredith sees she's bleeding. She takes off the bean and we find out this poor girl's been scalped Terrifying. It's just flopping around in the wind. Oh, terrifying. And the first thing she says is I just got happy, I'm not going to die, and I'm like. But you don't seem very happy, you seem riddled with self doubt.

Speaker 1: 34:37

Like to the point where it's really uncomfortable to watch.

Speaker 2: 34:42

Yeah, and also in this moment, mark Mark, leaning over Meredith's shoulder and saying don't worry, he and Rose won't last Like who needs that.

Speaker 1: 34:53

I mean, meredith is already comparing this girl to Rose, this idea that Rose is the rebound from Meredith that's already going through Meredith's head, and for Mark to just totally see it and swoop in and I love that Meredith doesn't realize that she's the rebound girl.

Speaker 2: 35:11

He said after they'd only been dating for like a hot second that he wanted to get married, have a family, build a house together. Meredith is the rebound girl.

Speaker 1: 35:20

It's tricky because it's like, well, if that's true, then everyone's the rebound girl. There you go, you figured it out.

Speaker 2: 35:28

Have you ever been the fix it girl, girl, that they date for a little while and it's like, oh, I'm not ready for this. No, no, no. And then literally the next girl they start dating is the one that they marry. No really, I think so. Oh, yeah, like three times, I think maybe four. Yeah, weird, I'm not ready for a relationship. I don't want to do that.

Speaker 1: 35:52

So because of these, because of this, and I think because Meredith I do, I do think this is well written in the fact that I think Meredith really, really wants Rose and Derek not to work out. And then this parallel story of Jennifer being this quote unquote rebound girl getting married to this guy and plus these other symptoms like he patted a bear, it makes Meredith do some digging.

Speaker 2: 36:26

And they've been camping and they've been around bears before.

Speaker 1: 36:29

Yes. So he knew that he knew not to pat a bear, but he patted a bear anyway. There's makes Meredith do some digging and she tests his eyesight as well, and his eyes have been going a little bit. He's losing some peripheral vision and then I mean it is really funny. She jumped up in the air and says brain tumor Humor.

Speaker 2: 36:53

And well, georgia, the voice of reason here as well, he says are you trying to turn a broken hand into a nerve problem just so you can talk to Sheppard?

Speaker 1: 37:03

It's belittling as heck, george but thanks, yeah, not the voice of reason, just the voice of the dig. Like Meredith is doing her job, shut up. She's doing it better than easy. She has reason to do this. She has reason to do these things.

Speaker 2: 37:18

I love that, even after jumping up and screaming tumor that you can tell there must be something wrong with this guy, because his immediate response is it's nice of you to make up a tumor, to make up the fact that I touched a bear.

Speaker 1: 37:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 37:36

No, brain tumors can impede judgment. They can make you more spontaneous and they can make you incredibly more impulsive. Your recent history shows that, which just sparks fear into the poor heart of Jennifer. She's like I'm a tumor, yeah she's a symptom.

Speaker 1: 38:00

She's a symptom.

Speaker 2: 38:01

I'm a tumor bride, not even a rebound girl. She's a tumor girl.

Speaker 1: 38:06

Which is really sad. It's really sad to watch her realization that also, at the same time, it's like it's like that makes sense in her head, which is also really sad. Yeah, because she's felt uneasy and she's felt like this relationship isn't something's wrong and she has an answer now and it's just sad. Her whole story makes me sad.

Speaker 2: 38:32

Question is, though morally, do you leave him because you are the result of a impulse control tumor or now, knowing that that can't be removed and this man is going to die, do you stay with him to protect him from those other impulsive decisions, knowing that you're married to him and he's going to die and you are going to take all of his monies?

Speaker 1: 39:05

I still. I think she still loves him and it. I think it's. It's not even a moral. It's like maybe not even a moral question. It's like a question about what? Where do you lie on? What is reality? Ooh, because her reality is that they've made all these memories together, they love each other, they've gotten married. And then there's another reality that's like none of this is real. But what is real in this case? You know?

Speaker 2: 39:48

What's even remembering the way a conversation went between two people? Your reality is skewed, based on whatever was going through your head at the time of that conversation and how you felt.

Speaker 1: 40:03

What like? Because if she leaves him she's going to be grieving and she's going to be sad.

Speaker 2: 40:13

And there's also the idea that you are someone who knows about his condition His brother's dead who is going to look after him and make sure that he doesn't make impulsive, spontaneous, dangerous decisions with the rest of his life, so there's obligation there as well, correct, but then in his reality, what, yeah, who? But if you stay with him, the obligation is that you have to take care of him.

Speaker 1: 40:37

And who are you to him in?

Speaker 2: 40:39

his reality. How much longer is his reality going to stay lucid?

Speaker 1: 40:47

Is it is it is it love. And what is love?

Speaker 2: 40:51

you know, Because he believes it's love, not a chemical reaction in the brain.

Speaker 1: 40:56

Well, exactly so he believes that he loves her, brain tumour or no brain tumour, the chemicals in his brain are loving her, so that is real.

Speaker 2: 41:11

We really should have woken Evan up for this one. Because he has a degree in philosophy, he might actually have somewhat of an answer on this. It is a philosophical conundrum? Yeah, it sure is.

Speaker 1: 41:25

Good job, grey's Anatomy. Go into this more, though I have to say yeah, and maybe because, because this whole episode is about animal instincts, it's not about philosophical, philosophical reasoning. Maybe this is what differentiates us between the animals Philosophy, philosophy. If we were animals in this situation, if this was just two, like deer in the wild, who love each other okay, I don't know much about deer mating patterns, let's say penguins. Penguins make for life. These two penguins find each other, love each other, stay together. They would never know about the brain tumor.

Speaker 2: 42:18

They would. They would know that something's wrong, purely because, in the context of penguins, dad penguin, baby sits the egg right. Mum penguin goes out to the ocean and the dad penguins are in that big circle of babies sitting their eggs. This penguin has no impulse control. He's gonna lose the egg.

Speaker 1: 42:44

Okay, okay, true, yeah, but I guess my point is I think they'd stay together. He's gonna be a bad penguin, but I think these two would stay together.

Speaker 2: 42:57

No, I reckon the other penguins would have it out with him, because if you live in a packed mentality, you are for the community, you are for the group, and if you can't be trusted in the group then you get removed from the group.

Speaker 1: 43:11

Well, this is a bad example. This is a bad example, did we? I am just trying to say, in the animal world without the.

Speaker 2: 43:21

It's significantly more ruthless, and if you can't keep up, you're kicked out.

Speaker 1: 43:26

Yes, I'm not going to talk about it anymore. I'm not talking about it anymore. The other one, he gives a bad example.

Speaker 2: 43:37

Okay, well, can we talk about Christina lusting after Han and Kelly Christina?

Speaker 1: 43:43

has found out, she's been living in the hospital so much that she somehow, somehow did not realize that Han and Kelly were friends.

Speaker 2: 43:52

I think it's happened over the last month or so.

Speaker 1: 43:53

But Han and Kelly have been friends for ages now.

Speaker 2: 43:59

No, they remember it was last week was the only second time they ever went out for a drink. Yeah, they went out for a drink the first time the day before after the ambulance crashes, and then last week they went out again. So it's been five weeks of them actually hanging out and being friends, and in those five weeks Christina's been at the hospital.

Speaker 1: 44:20

Cool, that makes sense. That makes sense. And it throws her Because all of a sudden her housemate is hanging out with. Well, she says my mentor, to which Kelly shuts that down pretty quick Because it's not your mentor. She treats you like crap.

Speaker 2: 44:37

Last week we saw Dr Han say to Mark I need to keep separate who I am in the hospital from who I am in real life and I really liked that Kelly keeps correcting Christina and saying Erica Erica to Christina's Dr Han, because Kelly is friends with Erica and Erica is not Dr Han.

Speaker 1: 45:01

Yeah, that's a really good distinction. That makes a lot of sense. I think that's good too.

Speaker 2: 45:05

It keeps the personal and the work life separate, although I do think it's a bit shitty of Kelly to bring Han around to their house, knowing Christina's feelings about Han and how uncomfortable that must make her in her own home. Like, check with her first. Be like hey, are you gonna be weird if Erica comes around and we have some drinks? Because I don't wanna make my friend awkward either.

Speaker 1: 45:33

I think it's weirder that she doesn't invite Christina to hang out with them.

Speaker 2: 45:38

I think the whole situation's a bit shitty and uncomfortable.

Speaker 1: 45:40

Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. But Christina really wants Kelly to kind of put in a good word for her with Han. She really wants Kelly to be on her side with this and Kelly's just not all the way there with that. Yeah, I mean, kelly's already helped her out quite a bit with Han and gotten her in. So I think you know, give it a minute, christina, you might be all right in a minute. Just give it a minute.

Speaker 2: 46:06

But also like you first hand experienced what it's like to have your personal relationship with someone manipulated in a professional manner. I'd feel awful if I was Han and my friend the one friend I have in this place turned around to me in the middle of us, like at the end of the day, being vulnerable with each other, sharing our personal lives together and bringing up work. In that regard, I would feel manipulated and uncomfortable.

Speaker 1: 46:38

That's fair. That's totally fair. But also the same feel like Kelly and Han becoming as good a friends as they are Some point down the line. If Kelly's just like hey, you know, christina's a good friend of mine, we're housemates Can you just like ease up on her? Yeah, stopping a bitch, I feel like that's fine, that's friend to friend, I agree too, but you're right, christina.

Speaker 2: 47:05

Like just give me a second.

Speaker 1: 47:08

Give her a second because Kelly's already helped her out. When Kelly said, hey, you're like trying to please her too much, I forget what she said like your brown nosing, like ease up on her, like stop, you're too much. That was a really great insight from Kelly to give Christina. Because that's just from Kelly now knowing Han as a person, that doesn't get Han involved, that's just like. Hey, I know this person now, I know what they like Like just chill, correct, and I feel like that's you know she can keep getting tidbits like that, that's okay. So at the end of today we have the winner announce of the contest. Everyone's so excited. They've been running around for the last weeks and weeks and weeks adding up all of these, from sutures to surgeries. Everything is a point.

Speaker 2: 48:02

And we know that from the start of the episode, christina was in the lead, followed by Izzy.

Speaker 1: 48:08

Totally we don't know where everyone else ranked, but we've had Izzy trying to find a medical mystery all day on this one patient. We saw Alex doing as many stitches as he could and we saw Christina give up a surgery to watch Han do a surgery, which I really like. That, you know, she's really, really proving that she doesn't want to just do cardio to say she's a cardio God or to get that accolade. She genuinely loves it. Yeah, and this this further proves that. Because she's giving up, she, you know wait, christina loves the competition. She's giving up points, she's giving up performing in another surgery just to watch a cardio surgery. And I think that's no, I like it, I think it's admirable, I think it's exciting to see every time Christina kind of shows some growth or some progress and we learn a little bit more about her, and I think that's a huge thing that we saw today, I agree.

Speaker 2: 49:25

And we're seeing something similar from Meredith. We were led to believe that her interest in neurosurgery was just based on the fact that she was dating Derek. It doesn't get sort of brought up quite as frequently as Christina's interest in God Jesus Christ. What is that? Is that a flag of tea? The tea pot oh my God, jesus Christ, that's a really large amount of tea, sorry.

Speaker 1: 50:07

Timmy, you can continue. Let's not talk about her. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:14

Meredith's interest in neuro isn't sort of picked out as much as Christina's interest in cardio. But this episode she she wins the sparkle pager and for the next three months, every time one of our interns gets a surgery they need to message the sparkle pager and Meredith can choose whether or not she wants to take that surgery from them. It's power.

Speaker 1: 50:43

They all, they love it. They love the power. They love a gadget. Sparkle pager is like the way that they, you know the way it's presented by Bailey is like it has this history of being this magical object. It's regarded, you know, it's exciting.

Speaker 2: 51:01

But Meredith spends the night researching, scrolling through all of this paperwork. Sparkle pager be damned, it goes off and she doesn't even look at it. And our final scene this episode is Meredith presenting Derek with her research, because when it came to the tumor itself, she actually had George deliver the message because she didn't want to speak to Derek. But now it's time. She thinks that she's found a way to help cure these specific brain tumors. What are they called? Malignant gliomas? Gliomas yeah, glioma that can't be operated on because it's deep in the middle of the brain. And she wants to do a clinical trial, but she needs a neurosurgeon. I'm really excited about this because from all of my memories I remember this being Derek's clinical trial, not Meredith's clinical trial.

Speaker 1: 52:03

It's they do a few clinical trials together. Yeah, meredith's idea, this is the first one. This is. This is exciting.

Speaker 2: 52:15

Yeah, yeah. So I'm excited to see where this one goes, yeah.

Speaker 1: 52:21

It's good. I just do want to talk quickly. The one thing that we didn't mention is that when Izzy loses, she's really upset at herself. Today, she's so upset that she knows she was a bad doctor. I know you did mention this briefly. It's this moment with the chief and what he says to her I actually really like. He says the context is a lion fight. Chin up, put your shoulders back, walk proud, strut a little, don't lick your wounds, celebrate them. The scars you bear are the signs of a competitor. You're in a lion fight status. Just because you didn't win, it doesn't mean you don't know how to roar. I also really liked that. Yeah, I think it's a really good just life lesson. You're not always going away, but the fact that you got as far as you did and you were in the fight to begin with is something to be proud of. I just think life can be really hard, really really hard, and celebrate your scars.

Speaker 1: 53:28

We don't give ourselves enough credit for just being here Exactly and trying and the fact that we fought at all is something to celebrate and I just think it's a really good lesson.

Speaker 2: 53:43

I think it's awful that the boomers really mocked participation trophies. It's like, at the end of the day, just because you didn't win doesn't mean that you didn't work really hard and try your best and strive and accomplish and hit personal goals.

Speaker 1: 53:58

Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2: 54:01

Totally, so celebrate putting yourself out there.

Speaker 1: 54:04

Yeah, celebrate your little scars. Celebrate, you know, walk proud. Everyone Shoulders back. We're going to. You know it's hard, but we're going to get through. We're going to get through.

Speaker 2: 54:19

And look worst case scenario the coming third is still really fucking good, correct. But thank you all so much for listening. We had a really great time on this episode and we can't wait to get into the second half of this season, which is a real short season.

Speaker 1: 54:39

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Speaker 2: 55:07

Love you. See you next time.

Speaker 1: 55:09

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