What happens when Addison makes a comeback to Seattle hoping to see 0 changes? On today’s episode of Scalpels and Tequila, we navigate Addison's desperate need for her own transformation, Bailey's struggle to not show her feelings, Christinas need to 'talk girl' and Izzies fascination with Coding.
We also delve into medical dilemmas and ethical debates, like Mr. Robinson's brain tumor and a patient’s decision for seeking an abortion.
Join us for a deep dive into the world of Grey's Anatomy, as we unravel the intricacies of relationships, the allure of power plays, and the journey of self-discovery amid chaos and complexity. Tune in and let's dissect the intriguing world of Grey's Anatomy together.
Lots of love,
Tamzen and Ayla
xxx
Greys Anatomy Credits
Created by Shonda Rhimes
Starring :
Ellen Pompeo - Meredith Grey
Sandra Oh - Christina Yang
T. R. Knight - George O'Malley
Justin Chambers - Alex Karev
Katherine Heigl - Izzie Stevens
Chandra Wilson - Miranda Bailey
James Pickens Jr - Richard Webber
Patrick Dempsy - Derek ( McDreamy ) Shepard
Kate Walsh - Addison Shepard
Chyler Leigh - Lexi Grey
Sara Ramirez - Callie Torres
Mark Sloan - Eric Dane
This podcast is recorded on stolen land of the Wurundjeri people. We also acknowledge that medical practices of the traditional owners of these lands were developed and used way before the medical practices discussed in this show, they are also continued to be used today.
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What happens when Addison makes a comeback to Seattle hoping to see 0 changes? On today’s episode of Scalpels and Tequila, we navigate Addison's desperate need for her own transformation, Bailey's struggle to not show her feelings, Christinas need to 'talk girl' and Izzies fascination with Coding.
We also delve into medical dilemmas and ethical debates, like Mr. Robinson's brain tumor and a patient’s decision for seeking an abortion.
Join us for a deep dive into the world of Grey's Anatomy, as we unravel the intricacies of relationships, the allure of power plays, and the journey of self-discovery amid chaos and complexity. Tune in and let's dissect the intriguing world of Grey's Anatomy together.
Lots of love,
Tamzen and Ayla
xxx
Greys Anatomy Credits
Created by Shonda Rhimes
Starring :
Ellen Pompeo - Meredith Grey
Sandra Oh - Christina Yang
T. R. Knight - George O'Malley
Justin Chambers - Alex Karev
Katherine Heigl - Izzie Stevens
Chandra Wilson - Miranda Bailey
James Pickens Jr - Richard Webber
Patrick Dempsy - Derek ( McDreamy ) Shepard
Kate Walsh - Addison Shepard
Chyler Leigh - Lexi Grey
Sara Ramirez - Callie Torres
Mark Sloan - Eric Dane
This podcast is recorded on stolen land of the Wurundjeri people. We also acknowledge that medical practices of the traditional owners of these lands were developed and used way before the medical practices discussed in this show, they are also continued to be used today.
Contact us at
scalpelsandtequila@gmail.com
Instagram @scalpelsandtequilapodcast
Patreon/scalpelsandtequila
@missthayes and @ms_ayla_azure
Okay, got it Cool. Now three, two, one.
Speaker 2:So you blew me off for a bottle of tequila. Tequila's. No. Good for you. It's called as right. It's not nearly as much fun to wake up to.
Speaker 1:Hello everyone, welcome to Scalples and Tequila, a Grey's Anatomy recap podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm Aila and I'm Tamsin and today we are doing season four, episode 13,. Peace of my Heart.
Speaker 1:We love a lucky number.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Do you know in there's probably other countries that do it, but in Hong Kong there's no level 13 in buildings because it's unlucky.
Speaker 1:I believe that's also a thing in hotel rooms in Las Vegas and big casino cities, where they won't have a 13th room. But 13's always been my favorite number. Why, I don't know. I just remember when we were kids my grandparents lived near a racetrack and we'd go and I my horse had to be number 13 and they had to be wearing a blue jersey.
Speaker 2:That's very superstitious of you 100%.
Speaker 1:yes, what's your favorite number?
Speaker 2:Three.
Speaker 1:It's close enough to 13. It's what I pick when it's one to 10.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I get that, but three, I don't know. Three, Just three. I really like 33 as well, like the symmetry of it, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Maybe next year is my year. Because you're going to be 33. I always thought that 22 should be called two to two, because it's two standing next to two.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:This might be the most boring 10. Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2:It's, me, it's. This is a good episode.
Speaker 1:I like this episode and I liked the fact that the song what's it? Called Heart and Hands.
Speaker 2:This is my heart.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but this whole episode is about a baby, oh yeah. That's heart is outside its body.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this episode also opens in the best way possible with a monologue and a close up of Addison Montgomery's face.
Speaker 2:I was so excited, I was waiting for her to come back and here she is and I'm going to do the monologue. It's a pretty quick one today and it goes like this Great surgeons aren't made, they're born. It takes gestation, incubation, sacrifice, a lot of sacrifice, but after all the blood and guts and gooey stuff is washed away. That surgeon, you've become totally worth it. Giving birth may be all intense and magical and stuff, but the act itself is not exactly pleasant. But it's also a beginning of something incredible, something new, something unpredictable, something true, something worth loving, something worth missing, something that will change your life forever.
Speaker 2:So I mean it is about birth, it's about rebirth and change, which is a really interesting theme, especially because we have Addison coming back and basically as soon as she gets there, she just can't stop talking about how everything's exactly the same, and I think she wants it to feel exactly the same, because she wants to feel like she's not missing anything. She's gone away and it's fine that she's away. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's no fear of missing out, because if everything is so familiar, you know everything that's gone down.
Speaker 2:You haven't missed out on anything. Yeah. So even though she's moved to a whole other city, it's like oh well, Seattle's still exactly the same. I don't need to miss anything there. I'm off living my new, exciting life, and everything back there is boring.
Speaker 1:It's a very American trope. What?
Speaker 2:Fomo.
Speaker 1:No, the whole people going away to college and coming back to their little country town and the same people still work at the store and everything's exactly the same and nothing's changed. It's super American and I just I really like Addison stumbling over and figuring out all the little ways in which everything has changed this week.
Speaker 2:I mean she doesn't even have to stumble that hard. You've got Bailey at one point just being like look, these are all of the changes, things have changed. But she doesn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1:But they've changed, no because I would fall apart if I had to tell you about all of the changes.
Speaker 2:That moment, that's quite at the end, where Bailey gets to say that she's trying to explain that there is so many changes and the one change that she can't talk about is her own, and the way her life has changed so much is heartbreaking. You realize that we learned about Tucker and the breakdown of her marriage a few episodes ago, but she's still very much in it and I think, because of how much has been going on, we have lost that a little bit, and today we've really got to see how affected she is and how emotionally drained she is and how she's just escaping everything by staying at the hospital.
Speaker 1:Well, as you said, it happened a little while ago, but we've learned some things about Bailey. She's only home between the hours of 12 and 6. I doubt she's even had any time to process any of this and surely hasn't had a single person to talk to. And I think that most people that I know and I have, and I know that you have have definitely gone through those times where everything is happening all at once and you're trying to make all these decisions in your head and figure out the best plan of attack moving forwards, and it's not until you say those words out loud that it becomes real and you will lose all control of every situation the second you start saying these things out loud.
Speaker 2:Makes it yeah, makes it exist in the world. It makes it real. You know you're when you say something out loud. For the first time it's no longer just a little fantasy anymore.
Speaker 1:And it's exactly what Bailey's experiencing in this moment. But we should probably start at the beginning of this episode, not at the end? Yeah, I guess so, and the beginning of this episode is Addison strutting into the hospital head held high with a slightly new hair color, looking tanned and glorious and fresh off the beaches of LA to bump directly into a job offer from Weber and Bailey and then awkwardly she needs to feel like she's gone away.
Speaker 2:she's had a rebirth, she is a different person. She left Seattle and she was so broken and she had such a hard time and now she's thriving and she wants to come back and make sure. You know, everyone knows that she's thriving.
Speaker 1:Even if that means awkwardly hugging Meredith.
Speaker 2:But I don't know what else you would do. Super awkward, I feel like I would do that Orgly just as awkwardly. Cheeky, cheeky handshake, maybe Even like the way she says you stole my husband, I'm hugging you. She's like I'm different, I'm just so weird. She just admits to how awkward the whole thing is.
Speaker 1:I think every entrance this episode is just a little bit strange Callie and Han coming in talking about how much they enjoyed sunrise yoga. Nobody enjoys sunrise yoga. That is not a. I just refuse to believe it. I actually think it would be really fun. Sometimes I wonder why we're friends. Izzy is in the clinic. She seems to have sort of not learned anything from the last couple of episodes about how good she is, because she's hiding in the clinic, as she puts it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she says the clinic is my happy place and that's okay. I think she knows how to. She thrives in the clinic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she does really well and I think that she's also leaning into her strengths and that is patient care and bedside manner. But unfortunately again, her interns are not interested in doing this because they're a little bit hungover.
Speaker 2:So Izzy picks up on this straight away. She can smell alcohol coming out of her interns and they're like a little bit slow and a little bit not super with it. And turns out that George and Lexi had a house party and Izzy is jealous, absolutely cannot handle that. George has friends that aren't her. She's so possessive. Again, I'm going to stick up for Izzy. This is her only friend, really.
Speaker 1:No, that's exactly what I thought. When the truth came out about the party, my heart just broke a little bit, because I just remember, a couple of episodes ago, izzy saying that she wasn't part of the girls and George was her only person.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, the whole narrative storyline since George and her, I was going to say, got together but since George got with Kelly, has been I'm losing my friend, I'm losing my friend and she just lost Denny. She had this huge thing ripped away. So she's probably got a lot of rejection, sensitivity and like that fear of abandonment. And she lost Denny. She had George, she clung to George and she lost George. She finally got George back and they both realized that they shouldn't be together romantically, they need to just be friends. They had that big thing about how they're always going to be in each other's lives and how they should be friends and like maybe one day they should be together but they need each other as best friends. And now he's gone. He moved in with Lexi and he's decided to start thriving with his intern pals and she's had another huge loss she doesn't have anyone.
Speaker 1:I feel like her and Christina should really bond more, because I see a lot of duality between her situation and Christina's situation. They're both feeling rejected and alone and uncomfortable in their own homes, I suppose, because again today we see Christina approaching Han and just being an absolute brown-noser. But it's coming from a place of not knowing what to do and Callie isn't offering any help or support and like, dude you live with this girl, you can see how uncomfortable she is. Yeah, Branch, I think what Christina does this episode by you know, threatening Callie that she has to move out to get Han to speak to her is like it's not appropriate. But also, Callie, maybe you should be offering some help. Like I understand why Christina feels like she's been pushed to this point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's complete desperation. She doesn't know what else to do, which is hard, because it was only a couple of episodes ago that Callie did tell her that she needed to back off and if she backed off Han would come and get her. And that proved correct. And I guess you know Christina is kind of acting desperate again and reaching out again. It's like now that I'm, it's like dating, you know you know like oh, that whole old that feeling like treat a main, keep him cane thing.
Speaker 2:Yes, like she's acting like she wants it too much and it's pushing Han away. But as soon as she, you know, takes her power back, brings her energy back to herself and doesn't reach out, doesn't text, han comes crawling back. But this is like Christina's version of sending texts all the time being like you want to hang out, let's grab a coffee, what are you doing? How are you today? And Han's just like not replying.
Speaker 1:But I feel like Christina did that a couple of episodes ago, like not only the first time where she didn't respond to the page, but even what in episode 11, when she handed the reins over to Lexi just to hold Tucker's hand.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:That was the same as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like after that she should have got got something back from Han, because that was a really yeah.
Speaker 1:I understand the game that you're talking about, but like it's not working either way, it's only working for a fraction in that moment, and then next stage is reset again.
Speaker 2:So, in terms of this storyline, this Christina storyline today, what does end up happening is Christina asks Kelly for help. She said, oh well, you said it. She threatens her for help to get Han to help her because she wants in on Han's surgery so bad. And Kelly does end up talking to Han. I've jumped ahead way too much. I keep forgetting, like we haven't even talked about the surgeries.
Speaker 1:That's fine, I think that we missed a bit. The conversation that happens between Christina and Kelly in regards to Han is basically Christina saying you're no longer allowed in my apartment because she won't teach me. I need you to speak to her. And Kelly tries to convince Christina to speak to Han and talk to her some of her redeeming qualities and then for the rest of the episode we have Christina doing this thing. That really gives me the ick Her saying I don't speak, girl.
Speaker 1:I understand why you don't like that being phrased like that I don't like it because it's a refraction on me. I know that I'm very girl power now and very invested in women, but I've spent a lot of my life rejecting femininity and rejecting other women. I can't say that word You've rejected it so hard.
Speaker 2:It's out of your vocabulary.
Speaker 1:Correct, and it's really only in the last like six to eight years that I've built a really strong network of female friends and my mind's really changed on that. But I was that girl. I was that girl that rejected other women, put them down, all of it.
Speaker 1:I can't imagine that that was 100% me, I know, but it was for a really long time, most of my teens, in my early twenties Because, look at the end of the day, a lot of the time we were told that you had to be liked by men to succeed in life, and a part of being liked by men was denouncing other women and feminine things. And it still happens to women that exhibit masculine qualities quote unquote masculine qualities like Han. They're demonized. So you've got to sit this really fine line of still being attractive, but not too attractive, and you need to be like other women but not like other women. And have you seen the barbie movie yet? I have, okay, but when I see Christina saying, oh, I don't talk, girl, I see a lot of that in me. Oh, interesting. And it's exactly what it is. It's it's misogynistic, it's it's rejecting this idea of feelings and emotions and camaraderie with other women, because that's seen as a weakness and that's a lot of Christina's character.
Speaker 2:Totally. It's seen as like being soft, where she needs to be hard to be seen as a good surgeon, to be seen as smart, to be seen as someone who can put their career above all else, because in her eyes, that's the only way to succeed. So, feelings get in the way.
Speaker 1:Yep, and her trying to practice speaking girl at lunch is ridiculous and hilarious. But she kind of brings it full circle on Han at the bar later on this episode.
Speaker 2:I actually thought you were going to say the reason why you don't like it and find it uncomfortable is because of the just terminology and phrasing around, this idea of it being speaking girl and not like talking feelings. But but and I was just going to say it's just off its time, but I agree.
Speaker 1:I agree. I agree entirely.
Speaker 2:I agree with you as well. Like it's funny. It's a funny storyline. The way Christina feels so uncomfortable and the way she acts, it is great. It's just really like it's a very great kind of story and it's. It's cute. And Christina saying, does it hurt? Does it hurt that she's married? Does it hurt your heart Is brilliant.
Speaker 1:I think you hit the nail on the head there. For me, this is a product of its time and in its time I was the girl who didn't like other girls. Yeah, I was a girl who preferred to hang out with the boys because there was less drama and there was less bitchiness Like that was it. We grew up with shit like this and I'm so happy that a lot of this talk like a girl, throw like a girl is kind of dissipating in the world now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, christina, you are a girl. The way that you talk is talking like a girl?
Speaker 2:Exactly, there's no. Yeah, exactly. I'm just going to quickly. I don't know if you can hear this, but my cat is asleep next to me and she is snoring so loud.
Speaker 1:I can't hear it. Okay, get it Dana.
Speaker 2:Get it Dana.
Speaker 1:But there is a lot of quote unquote girl talk in this episode because, as we said, we have Addison in today and Addison is here today to treat ectopia Cartius.
Speaker 2:Baby with heart growing outside its body.
Speaker 1:And she tells this terrifying story of the only other case she's ever seen of this being a baby that just went for a little squeeze inside the womb Terrifying.
Speaker 2:Terrifying. Oh no, that sounds like something out of an alien movie. Yeah, like this baby in utero squeezed its own heart and died Like no, no, thank you.
Speaker 1:There's lots of sci-fi in this and, like Mark, making skin flaps. Oh, again.
Speaker 2:God, hilarious, hilarious dialogue. It's so good. It's so, mark, and the way that just no one, no one, gives him the accolade that he really wants. Everyone's like, no, just letting him he's like, and he made, and God looked down and he made the skin flap and it was good.
Speaker 1:And they're all like yeah, but like look at all the women in this room actually doing the surgery. Bro, sit down.
Speaker 2:Look, it's still amazing. Like good on you, mark. You definitely helped. They obviously needed skin. You grew it. That is very cool, but like if you keep saying that you're God, god it's great. I find it very funny. There is a lot of little comic relief bits in this, like Christina's speaking girl, mark's being God. You know, we get a little bit of the humor.
Speaker 1:Addison's energy entirely. She had this one line where she's trying to get the gossip and she's trying to figure out what's going on and she just blatantly calls out I think it was Bailey or Derek by saying in LA people say things, but in Seattle, I have to infer everyone's feelings Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. This, like LA versus Seattle way of being is pretty like, is a bit of a theme in this episode. Addison is constantly, you know, pitting these places and these people against each other. It's almost like the old Addison and the new Addison, the old Seattle, the new LA, and she is kind of comparing them the whole time.
Speaker 1:And I do think Seattle's not winning. Seattle sounds toxic as heck, right. Yeah, absolutely awful, like Bailey gives the gossip of, you know, her and her husband splitting up, kelly and George splitting up. Everyone's relationships have ended actually Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:That is kind of all of Bailey's news Gossips, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's where she finds out that Derek and Meredith have split up and she hugged Meredith.
Speaker 2:We have a lot of awkward moments today as well. So the awkward hug with Addison, and then we've got also this really hard to watch really awkward storyline going on with Izzy who is trying to act cool to be able to hang out with the interns and it is so uncomfortable to watch. They're only what a couple of years difference. Like they're not like. Izzy's not that much older. She wasn't an intern that long ago, but the way she is acting. She's an intern last year.
Speaker 2:She's an intern last year, but she's acting like they're in a whole different generation.
Speaker 1:I think they're in a whole different social circle, and that's the big difference.
Speaker 2:It's like when. It's like when your parents got up on a word that you've been using and they start using it.
Speaker 1:I did see a very good TikTok the other day. That was a millennial like standing there ushering in a Gen Z. I mean like hey, we actually understand your lingo now. And when the older generation understands your lingo, it means the new ones coming in and you're about to be confused.
Speaker 2:That's it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no cap, so the lingo that you missed my lingo. But okay, the youths. They say no cap. Oh, that's a lingo, Me telling the truth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah, I missed it.
Speaker 1:So where the isys?
Speaker 2:Yeah, where the isys. If we say it, just don't say it Too late.
Speaker 1:Don't say it because I'm not going around being like oh cool outfit sleigh.
Speaker 2:I got my headband. It's sleigh, Like I can't pull it off.
Speaker 1:Oh, I feel like we were saying that before them, but that's purely because of drag race, not in the way that they say it no, 100% no. And it's Izzy's whole thing. She wants to be cool, she wants to be in touch, she wants, she wants to have that connection with George that none of her other friends have.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, she wants George to be her best friend again. She wants to be able to talk to him and relate to him. But all of a sudden, after this party, she feels so on the outs. And George has this in joke with all of the other interns. They have lingo that they created and Izzy makes me so sad. She just wants to be a part of it. She just wants to be a part of this community. She just wants to feel like she's. She's got friends. It's so sad and her trying to say you coded, coded, code is so uncomfortable and so obvious from the outside looking in that it doesn't matter how she says it. She's always going to say it wrong because she wasn't there, she's not a part of it, she's not an intern. She could say it in the complete right context, but she's never going to be accepted by them for saying it and that means she's always going to say it wrong.
Speaker 1:And look props to George for standing up to me, like, look, you're their boss, because they're planning this dance tournament. And Izzy forces George to invite her along and Lexi takes one for the team and lets George and Izzy know that if Izzy's coming, no one else is going to go. And I think it must have taken a lot for George to stand up and be like, hey, you're their boss, you need to understand that. They're not going to have a good time while you're there. And I do feel for Izzy, but also she dug her own bed a little bit, because I keep looking at Han and Kelly just having this great time and all I can think is if Izzy hadn't been so awful to Kelly that's a group of friends she could have been a part of.
Speaker 2:Definitely. And what Izzy fails to recognize and fails to understand is that she is friends with Meredith and Christina and Alex. She is. And as much as she can't see past the fact that Meredith and Christina are maybe better friends purely because they have a lot of more similarities than Izzy does, she can't see past that enough to see that she is actually a part of their circle. She is, they invite her along to stuff they live. You know she lives with Meredith. Every time they're having their little dance they always say come and dance, like come in.
Speaker 1:And if she wasn't judging Alex on everything that he did and maybe tried to have some understanding, then she would have him as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's just really, really in her head about having no connections and George being the only one. But if she was able to kind of take a step back and really look, she would see that she has a group, she is part of a group. There she's just I mean, she's always with Christina and Meredith. You know the three of them are always having little moments together and bonding and living together and going through stuff together. I mean, they lay on the bathroom floor with her. They are her friends. She just has so many insecurities around it that it's really hard for her to see the reality of that and see that they do really care, even if they you know they all pay each other out a little bit or they all roll their eyes or whatever, but they're all doing it to each other. Yep, easy makes me sad. I just want to tell her that everything's okay and she doesn't need to try so hard. She's fine.
Speaker 1:Product of its time.
Speaker 2:So today, talking about babies, talking about new things, new life, what we have is the very start of Meredith and Derek's clinical trial. It's really Meredith's idea. Meredith came up with a way to test a cure on a very particular type of brain tumour, and it is the brain tumour on. His name is Mr Robinson, but he is a bear attack guy.
Speaker 1:Correct and Derek spends this entire episode warning Meredith to not get emotionally involved. So there is nothing but emotions running in this case because Mr Robinson's tumour, as we know from last episode, is pushing on the part of the brain that controls emotions. It controls responses and severity and all those sorts of things. And it's so hard to watch because all we're seeing this episode from Mr Robinson is him referring to his wife as a piece of ass, a waitress with no prospects and just being so emotionally unstable. Everyone there knows that it's the tumour talking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if she didn't realise it was a tumour last week, we definitely can see the tumour talking this week. His behaviour has gotten worse and worse and this tumour is obviously getting larger, things getting more erratic, more inappropriate.
Speaker 1:Props to the actor who plays Mr Robinson, though the ability to switch from one side to another.
Speaker 2:So incredible the going from the fury and that intense anger to laughing. It's very well done.
Speaker 1:Yep, and we do see a little vulnerability from Derek in this episode. When he's talking to Addison about the clinical trial, we find out that he's feeling like he may not be up for this. He's used to succeeding and being excellent at everything that he does and knowing exactly what he's doing, but he says that in a clinical trial I'm groping around in the dark and everyone is expecting greatness from me, and I can't guarantee this.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised you didn't just make a little sexual innuendo with groping around in the dark. I can't believe that just passed you by.
Speaker 1:If it were, anyone aside from Derek, I probably would, so, unfortunately-. What's the timeline on this, though? What the clinical trial? Because everything we know about clinical trials before it gets to be tested on humans, it needs to go through a lot of other things.
Speaker 2:Totally and also needs to get funding and get a lot of paperwork drawn up and stuff.
Speaker 1:And approval, so that you won't put a needle into someone's head and kill them immediately.
Speaker 2:It really feels like Mr Robertson's just been in the hospital for a couple of days, but I don't know. Don't ask about the timeline. Never ask about the timeline. Never ask about the timeline we can't talk about it anymore, we don't rule number one of Skauffers and Tequila. We don't talk about the timeline.
Speaker 1:What would rule number two be Respect women.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Justice for our female leads.
Speaker 2:They're not even the lead. Anyway, look, look, look, look.
Speaker 1:Everything that Mr Robertson is doing, all the yelling, the screaming, the derogatory way he's talking about his wife. We find out that that's because he doesn't want her to be left alone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we find out and we'll feel all right Underneath the dysregulated emotions that the tumour is creating. Where this is all coming from is actually a really sincere and sweet place, but it's just completely hidden by tumour brain and it's just coming out in really inappropriate, hurtful, aggressive yeah.
Speaker 1:What is your thought on Meredith running into her psychologist's office and blurting out that she's not a hopeful person, that Derek is the one that is emotional?
Speaker 2:I think she's just figured it out. I think it's just her having a little life moment. Yeah, like a little epiphany.
Speaker 1:There's been a few epiphanies. This episode then.
Speaker 2:I mean it's interesting that she does want to talk to her therapist.
Speaker 1:So many epiphanies, meredith, figuring out that Derek's the emotional one.
Speaker 2:I mean, we knew that. It's weird that she didn't realise that.
Speaker 1:Correct. Addison, realising that everything is different. Callie trying desperately not to have an epiphany. I mean this epiphany, is he?
Speaker 2:patient. Pretty cute, is he patient? Yeah, oh, we have to talk about Is he patient. That's a big one.
Speaker 1:It was such a weird. Is he patient? I love it's something that I've been waiting to come back and something I've been waiting to talk about, yep, but halfway through this episode, a patient walks into the clinic. Her and her partner are pregnant and they immediately request an abortion.
Speaker 2:We find out that this is because she's living with HIV and she does not want to pass it on To the baby, to a baby, and it's something that she has obviously thought a lot about and made up her mind about a long time ago, because she's not here to make a choice now. She's already made her choice but when she comes in, finds out she's pregnant, she is pretty upset when she's asking for an abortion, which makes Is he kind of question her reasons and I think the way I think that they show handled this really well, because this could have been badly done by Is he, but I don't think it was.
Speaker 1:Well, also, this is another one of those moments in Grey's Anatomy that we look back on and go holy shit, this is so far ahead of its time, totally. Hiv was very rarely spoken about in public. It was considered only a homosexual man's disease. So having a straight, cisgendered white woman coming up on a show saying that she got it when she was 19 and not only that, but they're again discussing abortions and we get some real, genuine statistics and information about how HIV is passed on, and that's amazing.
Speaker 2:It's great, it's really cool. I really like it and I really appreciate the way that Is he comes back to her patient, because her patient, and very rightly, says I want an abortion, and is he kind of tries to question her and the patient's like no, I'm not here for you to lecture me, I'm not here for you to change my mind. I asked for this. You don't get to try and sway me, you don't get to have an opinion. This is what I want. But Is he does come back to her and after Is he kind of talks to Addison about it as well, which I think is really good, because Is he rightly says this isn't my field.
Speaker 1:This isn't my area of expertise.
Speaker 2:So can you talk to her or can we talk about the stats? And the way Is he comes back to this patient is I was unclear. If you want to have an abortion because you want to have an abortion, that's between you and whatever God you believe in. But if you want to have an abortion because you think medicine is telling you that you should have an abortion, well, that is between you and me. And then she goes on to explain these stats. I'm not saying there's a slight chance that your baby is going to be born with HIV. I'm saying there's a 98% chance that your baby will be fine. A 98% chance. That's higher than so many. There's just so many other things that could go wrong in pregnancy.
Speaker 1:There was one phrase that she said that for some reason, I really enjoyed and it resonated with me and I think I'm going to try and take that phrase with me. She said it's hard to readjust your thinking so quickly. Yeah, but can you imagine how much better the world would be if everyone was prepared at every circumstance to readjust their thinking quickly?
Speaker 2:I mean yes, I'm just saying the negatives of it, like yes, in some ways, but then you've also got the ability for people to be swayed into bad stuff easier too.
Speaker 1:Agreed, but just having open-mindedness and knowing what that means Definitely.
Speaker 2:Definitely A willingness to hear other people, A willingness to listen. That's what it is. It's the willingness to listen and take things on board and talk to people that have different ideas than you do or different life experience and different advice and different understanding of things. I just feel like so many people are so closed-minded and just won't even have the conversations, won't even have the chats won't even listen, Do you know?
Speaker 1:who I'm not interested in listening to today.
Speaker 2:Daryl Ava. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:There's actually so much in this episode, and one of it is Ava pretending to be fucking pregnant.
Speaker 2:So what? Ava's back? Whoop dee-doo, back to ruin Alex's life yet again. Back to-.
Speaker 1:She's the first character who we haven't changed our opinions on. I hated her years ago and I still hate her now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, Look, I don't yeah. No, I hate her. She just keeps inserting herself into Alex's life with no real ability to help herself, ability to actually be there for real to follow up on any of the things that she is offering and wanting. She's expecting Alex to completely drop everything every single time she appears with no notice to completely take care of her. She's so selfish.
Speaker 1:I don't understand her motivation here, like I understand the storyline of her pretending to be pregnant, but why the fuck would you go into the clinic and let Izzy take your blood? Why would you why would you let it be?
Speaker 2:proved that you're lying Because she doesn't think she's lying. She doesn't think she's lying. She lives in such a fantasy world she cannot see the real anything.
Speaker 2:The trauma that she went through getting a new face the moving you know, trying to leave her partner, the whole world. She's concocted with Alex the whole way that she sees herself fitting into this hospital. She doesn't know. Up from down she believes she's pregnant. I don't think she's coming in here thinking I have this whole web of lies and I'm going to get him and tie him down. She's coming in here thinking we're finally going to start our family. He's going to be so happy.
Speaker 1:That was something that I hadn't considered, and that is just the most devastating thing.
Speaker 2:That's the only reason that I mean yeah, I can't stand her as a character. It's so infuriating every time she appears, but it's like devastating.
Speaker 1:That is the most sensible reason as to why she would be going to the clinic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, good she's not doing so good, no, so she does tell Alex that she's pregnant and that flips Alex out all day, as it would. That is in his head all day. He is working, you know, on this baby because Addison's back and he gets to go and work with Addison again, gets to go work in Peeds this is where he shines and he's working on the baby and it's messing with him.
Speaker 1:Can we talk about Addison and the baby surgery and stuff now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we're there. Excellent, because I just want to talk about all the little sideline chats that Addison is having with everyone. But also, this case is really fun Our patient, it's really cool. Nikki Johns, we have Addison Han, bailey Weber, alex, all working on her and all I could think of the whole time and his husband was talking. You missed Mark and the skin.
Speaker 2:Skin flaps and Mark. You missed it.
Speaker 1:He's the most important person. If he was there he'd be like but, but, excuse me, but my flap, my flaps.
Speaker 2:You forgot my flaps. You can't forget my flaps. How old they're, god's flaps.
Speaker 1:How old is this couple having a child? And, honestly, if I was in that room with that father, I would be feeling the way that Alex is feeling. I could not stand it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a lot. How old are they? Like 21?, 22? They seem so young, they seem so young and yeah, it's too much. I mean this guy should be dating Sydney Herron.
Speaker 1:That's her person, 100%. Can you imagine how insufferable they would be?
Speaker 2:Oh, but they can just go and live in their little positive box and just stay there and they can put all the sunshine and all the rainbows in that box. And then one day you'll look over to that box in a few years and it will be burned to the ground because it is so unhealthy. Like they put too much sun and it burned. There's too much sun there.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's wild. They are just so intense and Alex is the antithesis of them, and he's he. I can understand what he's doing. Like he's trying not necessarily to squash their dreams but to bring some realism into the situation. Like you do need to prepare yourself for what's to come.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he, he, he is watching this go down. He's watching the way that this couple is talking to each other, and I mean he says it. He says they're talking about loving each other, as if that has anything to do with the ability to raise a baby. Love is not enough, you know, and he says, like not even just a baby, a sick baby. He is not prepared. I was trying to prepare him and Alex has a point Love isn't enough. Actually, unfortunately, you've, you've got to, you know, know that it's work and know that you're raising a whole human.
Speaker 1:And, like Addison and Bailey, do pull him aside and tell him off. But also they should maybe, as the authorities in the room, be having these conversations with their patients. But instead Addison is just fucking nipple deep in gossip and I love that for her Nipple deep. I don't think it's up to her chin yet.
Speaker 2:But so Addison's nipple deep and Mark's skin flap ahoy.
Speaker 1:And you know Callie's reading the vaginominal logs Ooh.
Speaker 2:All right, all right.
Speaker 1:I loved this Addison just sitting there eating a chip in the most seductive way possible.
Speaker 2:She's so stunning. How does she make it eating a chip? Look at that good.
Speaker 1:Well, that's a thing. This is the look, the same look that she gave the surfer boy when we went to private practice. It sure is, she is just thirsty.
Speaker 2:This is the look that she used to give Alex when they were like holding babies and stuff. You know, thank you. Yeah, I want to practice it. I want to eat chips. That good, start eating chips in front of a mirror.
Speaker 1:I just love that she's giving that look to Callie, who's also giving that look to Han.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and. Addison finally points out the elephant in the room and, just like you said, she says are you doing the vaginominal logs now what's?
Speaker 1:going on. No, no, I like penis. I am a huge fan of penis Love love penis, yeah, penis Love penis, penis, wee.
Speaker 2:Wee Penis Great.
Speaker 1:Great Penis is great and like she's, it's Addison. She is so put together and so amazing, but also so good at putting her Christian Louboutins directly in her mouth.
Speaker 2:I mean, she doesn't really. She hits the nail on the head, she absolutely does when they're in surgery. Oh yeah, she's found out the Derek Stinkle and says so who's the unlucky McRebound? Yeah, it's awkward, it's so awkward, it's the woman standing directly to your right. And then we get Rose again.
Speaker 1:Rose has what one line today, and it's excellent Six dates, heavy petting, lots of tongue, excellent.
Speaker 2:Even in this, even in the middle of surgery, when something super unprofessional has happened to her, she, even though she's giving up this private information that she doesn't need to at all, she does it in such a way that seems professional. She approaches it with humor and joy and it also like doesn't give it any more breathing space. It's like these are the facts. I know you want. Let's get back to work.
Speaker 1:I love Rose, correct, but it's not in a nasty, demeaning or snappy way. Nope, I love Rose.
Speaker 2:I love Rose, love it. Who am I? If you had told me six months ago I would be saying that I love Rose this much and genuinely mean it, I would not have believed you.
Speaker 1:I kind of wish that I hated Rose, though.
Speaker 2:Same, it would be easier.
Speaker 1:It would be so much easier. And I can't remember specifically what happens to Rose, but I know in my gut it's not going to be good yeah.
Speaker 2:I just I would watch a Rose spin off.
Speaker 1:Rose and Han being the best friends, one that's like happy and friendly and jovial and the other one that's kind of mean and cranky. But they both love each other in the right way Good cop, bad cop, friends.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Han and Rose.
Speaker 2:But they, they are both the same in the way that they both take no bullshit.
Speaker 1:Han does it in an abrasive way but Rose does it in a soft way Yep.
Speaker 2:Oh, all right, let's get the fan fiction going. So after baby surgery, we we finally get a little bit of Bailey kind of opening up, because what we see, to make us really understand that Bailey is holding a lot in, is that after Karev says all this stuff to the patient and he gets in a little bit of trouble for speaking to the dad like this, and you know we go back to that line I was saying before, where Karev saying they're talking about loving each other as if it has anything to do with having the ability to raise a baby, he's not prepared. I was trying to prepare him. Bailey and Addison are who he's talking to in that moment. And Bailey says Karev, right now you're feeling all your feelings out in the open. Do me a favor and stuff them back in. And that is a very kind of un-Bailey way to handle this situation, because I mean, actually, especially in the later seasons, bailey is such an advocate for feeling your feelings in a professional way, in a like, stand in the closet and don't let your feelings affect work.
Speaker 1:Bailey's key, Bailey's key move is I will mind the closet door. I will protect your feelings. You need to have them. Go have them somewhere. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, but instead her advice is stuff them in. Don't feel anything. Don't feel is not the Bailey way, don't feel is the Christina way, don't feel is the Hum way, don't feel is the Burke way. What's going on, bailey, and rightly so.
Speaker 1:Addison is there, and Addison picks up on this straight away, because this whole episode we have Addison trying to connect with Bailey and trying to have a chat, trying to have a gossip and trying to catch up with her friend.
Speaker 1:And it's not till right at the end where they finish the surgery and Addison catches her in the scrub room and says you seem sad, talk to me, tell me what you're going through. And Bailey can't make eye contact. She says we are not going to do this. We are not going to do this today, because if I told you Tucker moved out, if I told you that I haven't slept alone in 12 years, if I told you that my heart hurts so much I want to rip it from my chest, if I told you that I would fall apart, I would wish that you would just go home, so the choice to talk and fall apart would go away. Because it's like we were saying at the start of this episode sometimes it just feels like if you start talking, it becomes real and there will be no way to control that, whereas right now she is in control. She is in control, she is in control. She is천aci in control.
Speaker 2:She is controlled by the big other named. I hate seeing Bailey upset. I hate seeing Bailey broken. Bailey feels like the middle piece of a spider web of this hospital. Can you imagine the pressure?
Speaker 1:that that puts on Bailey being the only person in this hospital that doesn't have the option to feel and to break down, and that she is the center of the spider web and is holding it all together.
Speaker 2:Awful Everyone else is allowed to breathe. Awful, it is awful, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1:But everyone's still trying to convince Addison after this whole day of all of this frankly, kind of awful shit happening. Weber is still like I have a position for you. Come back, you can start tomorrow. And Addison says I needed to come back to see that leaving was the right thing to do.
Speaker 2:Which is understandable. I feel like a lot of people will resonate with that. I think that's a really human thing to say. I think it's the healthy thing to do.
Speaker 1:And what she says at the start of the episode were in LA people say what they feel and in Seattle I have to figure it out. Yeah, but then we get to. I suppose the fun part of this episode and yeah, wrap ups it all starts with an elevator ride.
Speaker 2:This is one of the iconic elevator rides in Grey's Anatomy history. I mean, you could kind of count off all of the really iconic elevator moments like Heart and the Elevator, some early Derek and Meredith stuff, some later stuff that I don't want to give away, but this elevator scene Starts off.
Speaker 1:Addison's in the elevator in Walk's Meredith, the next floor. Rose pops into that elevator. You go another floor and you see Derek's heart drop directly into his big toe.
Speaker 2:What would you do? How do you get out of if Elevator doors opened and inside was like a situation like that Exes? Yeah, Because also the problem here is because what could happen? Right, Elevator doors open and you see three exes in some regard, Not only are they all your exes, they all know that they're all your exes. Like they all, everyone can see exactly what's going on.
Speaker 2:Because I feel like in so many other situations, like potentially, if you and I I mean there's probably situations where they maybe would, but mostly if three exes were in there, they probably wouldn't know that they all were.
Speaker 1:You know, they would know that they were, but they wouldn't know that if I was Rose but everyone knows Rose I would have gotten out and grabbed his hand and been like, oh, we need to go do this, Like just save the boy Oof.
Speaker 2:That's a power play. That is a power play.
Speaker 1:I just, I just love that Derek sucks it up and walks in and stews. He just gets directly into that pot and then, and then we get Ma.
Speaker 2:But none of them talk.
Speaker 1:She doesn't even reach out and hold his hand.
Speaker 2:I think that would be up to Derek. I don't think that's Rose's move to make in that situation. I mean it could be, but it's very like fake a phone call, just walk away. Could Derek have? Yeah, could Derek have not gotten in? I think that what would it have said if that opened? He looked at them all like chuckled or something and went I'll take the steps.
Speaker 1:Like what was done in the time that it took him the doors open to realize that Rose was there. It's that it's just a split second of peeping over a shoulder and realizing the other people who are in there and just being like, oh no, this is my fate Now I've stood here for that half a second too long that I have no options. I can't run, I just need to meet my fate.
Speaker 2:Do you think? I think he could have gotten away. I think he could have not gotten in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you know what those women would have said. I'm glad. I'm glad I got in. It would have just taken one of them, but it would probably been as in be like, because I wouldn't have stifled the last.
Speaker 2:No, I think, as soon as the doors opened, I would have left.
Speaker 1:Well, we both would have been a mark. It would have been just his one line of I bet you wish you'd taken the stairs.
Speaker 2:I mean, this is Mark's like Christmas present, birthday present.
Speaker 1:He is better than a skin flap.
Speaker 2:I would love to be Mark in this situation, if Derek was my best friend, or if any of my best friends, if I walked into an elevator with them and all that I would lose it.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, you feel like this happens to Mark every single day. I would take a selfie, eric. He asked Addison if she wants to sleep with him because the nurses have boycotted him. I reckon this exact situation happens to Mark at least once a week. I love it. But everyone heads to Joe's. It's so good. We've got our interns having their little dark competition and every time George laughs. He looks over his shoulder to see if Izzy is there to approve Christina and Meh. I have an a cheeky little Bev, han, kelly and Addison. I have in some girls chat and Kelly can feel it Now that it's out there in the open.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, it's in Kelly's head now. This is the thing it's been said. As soon as you say something out loud, it changes it and it's out loud. Kelly can feel it. She's watching Addison look at her and Mark saunters over and he really wants to dance and Kelly needs an exit and jumps straight into that. She also needs to prove that she loves penis. She's got to prove the love of the dick, so she gets in there.
Speaker 1:Stop being angry at Grey's anatomy for not showing us that sex scene.
Speaker 2:Fair, fair. Yeah, I mean we get a lot of those two, but that particular night I think like she really felt, like she had something to prove.
Speaker 1:So it would have been interesting. But Christina also is proving something. She's having her epiphany. She walks directly up to Han and says is it because I'm Asian? Why won't you teach me? And Han just says to her you're not without skill and talent, so stop seeking my approval. But it really bothers me that Han you know Addison pulls Han up on treating Christina like this and Han says I do it because I think she reminds me of me. I'm like OK.
Speaker 2:That's not enough information.
Speaker 1:No, and also maybe be nicer to yourself then.
Speaker 2:This is the problem. I feel like they this is a bit of a TV trope, you know, we see this in movies, we see this around this line, this idea that this younger person coming up through the ranks or someone you're meant to train is reminds you of yourself, and that's why X Y Z, something happens with them. But this, I don't think it works here, because we don't understand enough about why then. Why then are you choosing to treat her badly? Like? What is the story there? Is it? She reminds me of me and I needed to be taught a lesson. Because X Y Z? She reminds me of me because people let me do whatever I wanted, be single-minded, and I didn't get a good education, didn't get a well-rounded education, so you also groomed by men in positions of power Like what was it?
Speaker 2:But what was?
Speaker 1:it. This is the problem and also you resent your younger self.
Speaker 1:Obviously that's why you're saying that and that's why you're treating her poorly. So maybe if you did teach her and helped her to change her ways, so she would have a better chance in the future that you did. That's how I see these things. I've worked and trained people who I've seen a lot of myself in and I've seen the negative sides of myself and the things that I did. That helped me back and I did everything that I could to help them navigate past that rather than letting them stew in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just not enough information for this line to be like an answer for us as viewers, or like an epiphany moment or a light bulb moment. It's not enough for us to fully grasp what she's saying and it's annoying that the episode ends like this.
Speaker 1:I wish we had more hold on to, whereas on the opposite, side of the spectrum, addison walking up to Meredith and saying I want to kick your ass so badly. You're letting him get away. We have so much background information that I don't understand why she said that to her. Like, obviously you've both dodged a bullet, maybe a handshake and offering to buy or a shot at Tequila Congratulations. You let him go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've had someone in my life once before who dated someone before I did and then I got to know after and she said to me, like I'm glad he's out of your life, it's for the better.
Speaker 1:Bitch. Why didn't you tell me that sooner? Well, we wouldn't have believed them sooner, to be honest.
Speaker 2:Well, I didn't know her when I was dating. Oh, okay, cool, yeah, it was after.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like we'd both neither of us were dating this person anymore, and then I think our final wrap up this episode is Alex. Alex has finally caught up with Ava, apparently, and we're stuck watching Alex finally get into letting himself feel the possibility of being a father and being okay with that, and at the same time the scene switches to Izzy picking up Ava's blood test results.
Speaker 2:And Izzy is like, well, this can't be the right results because this says she's not pregnant and it is a bit of a cliffhanger ending. But we do get these two, like you said, kind of simultaneously this acceptance that Alex is about to potentially be a father, and then also this realization for us as an audience of being like, oh, she's lying or she's not actually pregnant and, depending on how you think, it's like a bit of a mystery to solve and that's kind of where we leave it.
Speaker 1:I really like your opinion on this that maybe Ava doesn't know, and I think that's how I'm going to go into it the next episode that I'm benefit of the doubt. She's not lying, she's just ignorant, ignorant. I don't mean ignorant in the delusional modern derogatory when I mean that she doesn't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Totally so. I suppose we'll have to check back in with you next week and you'll just have to keep on listening.
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